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Author Topic: Doesn't Palin demonstrate how empty all this talk of "experience" really is?  (Read 1558 times)
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« on: August 30, 2008, 11:33:59 AM »

McCain (and Hillary before him) hammered Obama over his lack of expereince, but now McCain wants to put a woman with two years experince as governor of Alaska a heart-attack away from the Presdency. It just shows that that argument was just empty PR all along.
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« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2008, 11:48:08 AM »

Exactly.  The demonstrated that sex/color is the primary factor.  The wanted a historic VP candidate to take a little away from Obama's historic nomination.  Not unlike a small child that upon seeing someone get attention for something has to say 'Oh yeah, well I've got.....'
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« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2008, 02:21:40 PM »

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McCain (and Hillary before him) hammered Obama over his lack of expereince, but now McCain wants to put a woman with two years experince as governor of Alaska a heart-attack away from the Presdency. It just shows that that argument was just empty PR all along.

As I responded elsewhere, of course McCain is going to hit Obama on his lack of experience. He has not record to attack. Obama attacks McCain his age. Saying he's the 'same'.

It doesn't matter what the reality is.

McCain picks a women with as much experience as Obama. She's attacked.

Politics is nothing but a game...and it's played this year as it always has, in my memory, at least.
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« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2008, 05:37:19 PM »

If intellect mattered in a Veep........Dukakis/Bentson would have crushed Bush 41.

If experience mattered in a Veep, then FDR would never have won a third term....and McGovern would have needed someone else on the ticket.

Fillmore didn't even have a Veep.

Throughout our history....Veeps have ascended to the Presidency 9 times:

John Tyler-Death of natural causes

Millard Fillmore-Death of natural causes

Andrew Johnson-Assassination

Chester Arthur-Assassination

Theodore Roosevelt-Assassination

Calvin Coolidge-Death of natural causes

Harry Truman-Death of natural causes

Lyndon Baines Johnson-Assassination

Gerald Ford-Resignation

The "Death of natural causes" all happened before Penicillin and vaccinations.....would all these men have died now with modern medicine?

Seems all that's left to crow about is assassination or resignation in which the statistical apples fall equally on each side of the tree.

Go ahead and carp on about a Veeps experience or lack thereof.....what really matters (looking at our history) is the man at the top of the ticket.....
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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2008, 05:45:25 PM »

McCain dying of natural causes wouldn't be a shock.
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« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2008, 06:23:26 PM »

Given McCains age health and family history, a vote as leader of the free world is quite likely a vote for his VP as leader of the free world as well. Ya gotta ask yourself would you have voted for Sarah Palin for president of the United Stares two weeks ago? Well that's what you are being asked to do now. YGBFKM!
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But McCain's age is no joke. He will turn 72 on Friday and would be halfway to 73 if elected and sworn in on January 20. That would make him the oldest first-term President ever, two years older than Ronald Reagan. He has survived four skin cancers (melanomas), including one in 2000 that was classified as Stage IIa. McCain is two years older than his father was when he died suddenly of a heart attack at 70. He is 11 years older than his grandfather was when he died suddenly of a heart attack at age 61. Nor can we afford the risk of dementia. 22% of Americans over 70 are affected by mild cognitive impairment, while 13% of Americans over 65 have Alzheimer's. Ronald Reagan was diagnosed with Alzheimer's at age 83, but early signs were evident during his first term. Britain's "Iron Lady" Margaret Thatcher developed dementia at age 75. McCain has never had an Alzheimer's test, even though he has 6 of the 10 warning signs , including his inability to remember recent facts like the number of homes he owns, the $1M lawsuit he filed in 1990, or the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003.
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« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2008, 06:30:30 PM »

Lots of things aren't a shock, so what?
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« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2008, 07:20:19 PM »

The VP matters a little more when the President is that old.
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« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2008, 07:46:29 PM »

 ...and he is quite likely to pass away in office...
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« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2008, 08:09:50 PM »

...and he is quite likely to pass away in office...

Your information is based on what?

A hunch?

I read the stuff you posted from a partisan hack from Democrat underground....from a medical standpoint it means nothing.

Jim Fixx died at age 52...Tim Russert at age 57...did you predict those?  Did their doctors?

The information on family is analogous to "my dad flys a 747, so I can too"

When taking your health history, I could give a rats about your parents......I'm treating you...not them.
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« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2008, 08:15:58 PM »


When taking your health history, I could give a rats about your parents......I'm treating you...not them.
I've taken a fair share of medical histories myself, and yes, your parents do enter into it.  Chest pains, just ate spicy food, father died of a heart attack at a young age, you would be negligent to not move a coronary evaluation just a tad higher up your priority list. 
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« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2008, 08:20:33 PM »

C'mon....you giving instructions on health histories now?

You gonna cath someone based on parents history ALONE?

You gonna make them incur a risk of IMMEDIATE open heart surgery based on parent history ALONE?
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« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2008, 11:39:56 PM »

Anybody knows why McCain choosed her. If you say other wise you are fooling yourself. There are many more qualified people for the job then her and the GOP just screwed themselves trying to get Hilly supporters but just lost most of their Republican base with this idiotic move. She's cute, She has a son going to Iraq, she has a retared kid (yeah I said it because I am pissed off). I will qoute my favorite saying regarding Palin and her nomination......"You can pour syrup on shit, but that don't make it pancakes"
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« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2008, 06:17:40 AM »

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The information on family is analogous to "my dad flys a 747, so I can too"

When taking your health history, I could give a rats about your parents......I'm treating you...not them.
 
 
 This statement is simply not true,and coming from you as a medical person it is quite surprising. Flying a 747 is a learned talent... heart conditions are inherited. A more accurate analogy might be "my dad has high blood pressure I probably will as well"or" My dad developed diabetes late in life  I probably will as well".
 Family history is one of the best indicators of predisposition to many, many medical conditions heart disease is for sure one of them. The statistical studies on this are clear and well documented. Whyelse would medical questionares always ask for family history??
 I am absolutely sure you know this to be true Patton ...you are denying these facts out of political stubbornness because it makes your presidential choice look bad.
 McShame on you.
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« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2008, 08:17:23 AM »

C'mon....you giving instructions on health histories now?

You gonna cath someone based on parents history ALONE?

You gonna make them incur a risk of IMMEDIATE open heart surgery based on parent history ALONE?
Way to play to the straw man.  Since this fundamental principal that we call reading AND comprehending seems to have escaped you, let's review.  Even though my post is only above yours, I will quote it here to better facilitate this elusive comprehension part. 

I've taken a fair share of medical histories myself, and yes, your parents do enter into it. 
YEs, parents health does enter into it.  Hmmm...did I claim it is more important than any other factors?  No.  I didn't even attempt to classify them.  Simply said that it is a factor.

Chest pains, just ate spicy food, father died of a heart attack at a young age,
This is fairly obvious.  Several factors that you might have been presented with.  And yes, ALL should be considered.  Remove one, and the whole Dx changes.  Add others, it changes again. 

you would be negligent to not move a coronary evaluation just a tad higher up your priority list. 
I stand by this.  If you are unwilling to look at the obvious familial history, you are a hack, and you should NOT be treating the living. 

You will notice that I never advocating cathing someone.  Nor did I advocate surgery.  What I did was correct your statement that family history is of no value in making a diagnosis.  And yes, you were wrong.  I understand that you, as a die hard Republican, are desperate to make your candidate look the best possible.  I can't fault you for that.  But it would be foolish to ignore the reality of his age and medical history.  Especially in light of his VP choice having no international decision making experience.  That experience is tough to come by, specially when you need a woman VP.  If a physician were to ignore a family history of heart condition, and the patient were to suffer, yes, he would be negligent, and it would be actionable.

Normally you come across as pretty fair, and very smart.  But I will take exception with your post here.

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