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Author Topic: Doesn't Palin demonstrate how empty all this talk of "experience" really is?  (Read 1545 times)
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« Reply #45 on: September 02, 2008, 01:16:01 PM »

Standing on a curb is a predisposition to crossing a street...but not a gaurentee.

Poverty is a predisposition to a poor education...but not a gaurentee.

Being female predisposes one to pregnancy....but is not a gaurentee.[/i]

This is a straw man. No one said McCain was guaranteed to die in office - just that it was substantially more likely than Obama dying in office.

Based on what?...looking at all the risk factors cited multiple times here the two share, they're even...unless you ignored it.

If this is gonna be reduced to an "old people die before young people" arguement without acceptance or agreement that NO ONE KNOWS when, where, why, how ANYONE dies....then you may all carry on....

I'm 45....I'll likeley die before you.

You'll likely die before my 5 year old.

There are no gaurentees or certainties that ANY of that will actually transpire.

I'm sure Tim Russerts father never thought his son would pass before him.
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« Reply #46 on: September 02, 2008, 06:59:38 PM »

 Being a republicon is a predisposition to being blind to your candidates foibles, regardless how obvious they are.
 
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« Reply #47 on: September 03, 2008, 02:52:24 AM »

Every time I've floated the idea of putting an age cap on President, no one wants to go along with it. But a bunch of people seem damn set that McCain is disqualified because of his age.
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« Reply #48 on: September 03, 2008, 03:41:11 AM »

What does a Senator RUN?

His campaign?

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I hate how ignorant people are choosing to be about candidates.

From Wiki (not the only source, just the one that has it all together) (and I am only quoting the parts that are relevant to this discussion)

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Obama moved to Chicago to work as a community organizer for three years from June 1985 to May 1988 as director of the Developing Communities Project (DCP), a church-based community organization originally comprising eight Catholic parishes in Greater Roseland (Roseland, West Pullman, and Riverdale) on Chicago's far South Side.[12][14] During his three years as the DCP's director, its staff grew from 1 to 13 and its annual budget grew from $70,000 to $400,000, with accomplishments including helping set up a job training program, a college preparatory tutoring program, and a tenants' rights organization in Altgeld Gardens.[15] Obama also worked as a consultant and instructor for the Gamaliel Foundation, a community organizing institute.[16]

Obama entered Harvard Law School in late 1988 and at the end of his first year was selected as an editor of the Harvard Law Review based on his grades and a writing competition.[18] In his second year he was elected president of the Law Review, a full-time volunteer position functioning as editor-in-chief and supervising the law review's staff of 80 editors.[19] Obama's election in February 1990 as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review was widely reported and followed by several long, detailed profiles.[19] He graduated with a Juris Doctor (J.D.) magna cum laude from Harvard in 1991 and returned to Chicago where he had worked as a summer associate at the law firms of Sidley & Austin in 1989 and Hopkins & Sutter in 1990.[18][20]

Obama directed Illinois Project Vote from April to October 1992, a voter registration drive with a staff of 10 and 700 volunteers that achieved its goal of registering 150,000 of 400,000 unregistered African Americans in the state, leading Crain's Chicago Business to name Obama to its 1993 list of "40 under Forty" powers to be.[22][23]

Obama was a founding member of the board of directors of Public Allies in 1992, resigning before his wife, Michelle, became the founding executive director of Public Allies Chicago in early 1993.[12][26] He served on the board of directors of the Woods Fund of Chicago, which in 1985 had been the first foundation to fund Obama's DCP, from 1993–2002, and served on the board of directors of The Joyce Foundation from 1994–2002.[12] Obama served on the board of directors of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge from 1995–2002, as founding president and chairman of the board of directors from 1995–1999.[12] He also served on the board of directors of the Chicago Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, the Center for Neighborhood Technology, and the Lugenia Burns Hope Center.[12]

So you can see that even when he was president of the law review at Harvard he had more people working for him that Palin does as governor of Alaska.  This really shows a lack of judgement on McCain's part in announcing his VP with so little vetting.  I hope he doesn't enter into all his decisions so recklessly, but I am not about to find out with him as president.
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« Reply #49 on: September 03, 2008, 05:14:05 AM »

So far the difference between this election and the election in 2004 is that this time the GOP's attempts to change the subject from policies to fake issues is blowing up in their faces.

1) McCain tried to avoid real policy discussions by painting Obama as an elitist. This blew up when McCain was caught not being able to remember just exactly how many homes he and Cindy had to choose from while flying around in their private jet.

2) McCain tried to paint Obama as inexperienced. This criticism became moot when McCain picked perhaps the least experienced national politician in America.

The question now is, what will McCain and the Republicans try next? What fake issue will they raise in their desperate attempt to avoid policy discussions?

By choosing Palin, McCain has thrilled his far-right wing base. They'd never have voted for Obama in a million years, but perhaps now they won't stay home in November, either. But if a voter is interested in the future, what does McCain offer? Improved health care? Nope. Improved approaches to global warming? Nope. New ways to get the economy moving? Nope. Better relations with the international community? Nope. Just the usual right wing nostrums like tax cuts for the rich, corporate tax breaks, more drilling of oil, more bombast directed at all nations that don't do our bidding.

So stand by. The next GOP dodge is no doubt being cooked up even now.
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« Reply #50 on: September 03, 2008, 05:55:21 AM »

Now, now J....don't try and confuse those less politically saavy than you with this little gem:

2) McCain tried to paint Obama as inexperienced. This criticism became moot when McCain picked perhaps the least experienced national politician in America.


The most striking difference is where both of the least experienced candidates from each ticket resides...top or bottom....kinda big difference, eh?

Kinda just glazed over that tidbit......

You were on target with your little qualifier "perhaps"..........she's NOT the least experienced national politician in America.....she was elected when voters actually had two candidates to vote for in the ballot box....and she's actually MADE Executive decisions in a position as an elected governmental Executive......theres one rookie politician in America that has done neither.

So stand by. The next Democrat dodge is no doubt being cooked up even now.
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« Reply #51 on: September 03, 2008, 06:26:05 AM »

Right, Patton. On one ticket we have:
1) A graduate of Columbia and Harvard, president of the Harvard Law Review, a professor of constitutional law at Chicago, a 6-year state senator and a 4-year U.S. Senator with a seat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
2) A man who has been a U.S. Senator longer than McCain and is a recognized leader in U.S. foreign policy.

On the other ticket we have:
1) A long-time U.S. Senator who happens to be 72 years old with a history of serious health issues.
2) A communications-journalism graduate of the University of Idaho, mayor of a tiny town, and a two-year governor. Who is currently under investigation for possibly illegally firing a government employee for not carrying out Palin's personal vendetta. Who said, "I've been so focused on state government, I haven't really focused much on the war in Iraq," Ms. Palin told Alaska Business Monthly in March 2007. (Source: washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/02/AR2008090202445.html

And you contend that we should be concerned with the first ticket's lack of experience.

'Kay.
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« Reply #52 on: September 03, 2008, 06:27:26 AM »

 Let it not be forgotten that Obama represented more people as Illinios State Senator in the tiny 13th district than live in the entire state of Alaska. As US senator he now represents the entire state of Illinios with a population 24 times greater than Alaska. In fact the tiny state of Delaware has more than 200,000 more people than the entire sate of Alaska!
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« Reply #53 on: September 03, 2008, 07:29:07 AM »

Right, Patton. On one ticket we have:
1) A graduate of Columbia and Harvard......

This gives him Presidential "experience?"

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....president of the Harvard Law Review

Does this?

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...a professor of constitutional law at Chicago

My, my....we should call all law school graduates fit for the Presidency?

My God...the peanut farmer from Georgia would have never made it  Roll Eyes

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...a 6-year state senator....

You know state senators are everything from Hallmark shop owners, Doctors, Pharmacists, Landscaping company owners and Farmers too....right....Presidential?

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....a 4-year U.S. Senator with a seat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

Not quite 4 years of a first term...and....

Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) "has missed the most votes of any Democratic presidential hopeful in the Senate over the last two months, including a vote on an Iran resolution he has blasted Sen. Hillary Clinton for supporting," CNN reported November 2, 2007.[1] Since September 2007, Obama has missed 80 percent of Senate votes.

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Must make the people of Illinois proud to be represented so....especially with the one coronated to Carol Mosely Brauns seat.....

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And you contend that we should be concerned with the TOP of the first ticket's lack of experience?

Ummmm....yea.

And since you two are cut from the same cloth, I will save bandwith and answer you both....

Let it not be forgotten that Obama represented more people as Illinios State Senator

He's a great representative...when he shows up Roll Eyes

What do you know of the University of Illinois at Chicago regarding a school reform initiative called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which Obama chaired and Bill Ayers co-founded?
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« Reply #54 on: September 03, 2008, 07:51:07 AM »

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...a professor of constitutional law at Chicago
My, my....we should call all law school graduates fit for the Presidency?

My God...the peanut farmer from Georgia would have never made it

Have you looked at Bush's resume recently? There's nothing there. Oh yeah. He made a lot of money on lucky investments and proclaimed a 'Jesus Day' in texas.



...Or Reagan's?
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« Reply #55 on: September 03, 2008, 08:00:05 AM »

No kidding....I wonder...just who is making hay that law school be a requisite for the Presidency?

I would think that having real world governmental executive experience OR an understanding of the US Armed forces and chain-of-command would be important to the one assuming supreme command.....but I digress....
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« Reply #56 on: September 03, 2008, 10:38:59 AM »

she was elected when voters actually had two candidates to vote for in the ballot box....and she's actually MADE Executive decisions in a position as an elected governmental Executive......

Yes, and she's currently under investigation for those decisions.
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« Reply #57 on: September 03, 2008, 10:44:22 AM »

ALL of them?

Investigation....like Rezko?

Was that an "investigation?"
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« Reply #58 on: September 03, 2008, 10:48:39 AM »

Based on what?...looking at all the risk factors cited multiple times here the two share, they're even...unless you ignored it.

Actually, I replied, but it was flagged as spam.

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If this is gonna be reduced to an "old people die before young people" arguement without acceptance or agreement that NO ONE KNOWS when, where, why, how ANYONE dies....then you may all carry on....

I'm 45....I'll likeley die before you.

You'll likely die before my 5 year old.

There are no gaurentees or certainties that ANY of that will actually transpire.

I'm sure Tim Russerts father never thought his son would pass before him.

You see, this is yet another straw man. No one is saying that all old people die before all young people, nor that we can predict who will die when. We are talking about probabilities (you do grasp that concept, right?). A person McCain's age is significantly more likely to die soon than a man Obama's age, for well documented reasons. Your politics have blinded you to reality (but I guess that's a prerequisite to voting Republican).
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« Reply #59 on: September 03, 2008, 10:50:40 AM »

ALL of them?

Investigation....like Rezko?

Was that an "investigation?"

No, not all of them - just the ones where she used her political power to carry out a personal vendetta.
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