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Author Topic: Doesn't Palin demonstrate how empty all this talk of "experience" really is?  (Read 1359 times)
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« Reply #60 on: September 03, 2008, 10:59:31 AM »

ALL of them?

Investigation....like Rezko?

Was that an "investigation?"

Please feel free to show how Obama relates to an investigation on Rezko the same way that Palin is the subject of the investigation for wrongful firing.  Obama and Rezko are similar to McCain and Ketting 5 anyway.
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« Reply #61 on: September 03, 2008, 11:02:56 AM »

No one is saying that all old people die before all young people, nor that we can predict who will die when. We are talking about probabilities (you do grasp that concept, right?).

Yes....probabilities in ONE risk factor of death.

One who smokes is liklier to die before one who doesn't based on that ONE risk factor.

Someone Black is liklier to die than someone White based on that ONE risk factor.

To properly assess ones TOTAL risk....you need to assess and weigh them ALL.
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« Reply #62 on: September 03, 2008, 11:06:19 AM »

No one is saying that all old people die before all young people, nor that we can predict who will die when. We are talking about probabilities (you do grasp that concept, right?).

Yes....probabilities in ONE risk factor of death.

One who smokes is liklier to die before one who doesn't based on that ONE risk factor.

Someone Black is liklier to die than someone White based on that ONE risk factor.

To properly assess ones TOTAL risk....you need to assess and weigh them ALL.

Right, but all risk factors are not equivalent. So would I be right in saying that age adds more risk than race, for example? How do the risk factor's weigh up relative to each other?
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« Reply #63 on: September 03, 2008, 11:11:52 AM »

ALL of them?

Investigation....like Rezko?

Was that an "investigation?"

Please feel free to show how Obama relates to an investigation on Rezko the same way that Palin is the subject of the investigation for wrongful firing.  Obama and Rezko are similar to McCain and Ketting 5 anyway.

Perhaps you missed the usage of a simple punctuation mark.

The one highlighted denotes the asking of a question.

I understand your desire to quibble over "investigations"........very few things in life can draw on your desire for an exact comparison....so none is made.

Somehow you believe the sin of one is just peachy and the accused given a "pass"....and the other is a sin of the first order and the accused strung from the nearest tree.

How very........Democrat of you...... Wink
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« Reply #64 on: September 03, 2008, 11:29:27 AM »

Right, but all risk factors are not equivalent.

That is why more information and a thorough physical assessement is needed.

One cannot make ANY assumption on a single risk factor alone.....I can paint any number of scenarios that would shoot an attempt at that out of the water.

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So would I be right in saying that age adds more risk than race, for example? How do the risk factor's weigh up relative to each other?

Those are two VERY broad and vague risk categories.....NO ONE is JUST old OR JUST black.

That is why medical entities like the AHA give them the same weight in their VERY broad and SUPERFICIAL list of risk factors.
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« Reply #65 on: September 03, 2008, 11:59:13 AM »

Right, but all risk factors are not equivalent.

That is why more information and a thorough physical assessement is needed.

One cannot make ANY assumption on a single risk factor alone.....I can paint any number of scenarios that would shoot an attempt at that out of the water.

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So would I be right in saying that age adds more risk than race, for example? How do the risk factor's weigh up relative to each other?

Those are two VERY broad and vague risk categories.....NO ONE is JUST old OR JUST black.

That is why medical entities like the AHA give them the same weight in their VERY broad and SUPERFICIAL list of risk factors.

Right, but in the real world 83% of heart attacks are in people over the age of 65. Roughly speaking, this makes a man McCain's age aroung 4 times as likely to die of a heart attack than a man Obama's age. It suggests that age is one of the biggest risk factors.
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« Reply #66 on: September 03, 2008, 01:09:54 PM »

Right, but in the real world 83% of heart attacks are in people over the age of 65. Roughly speaking, this makes a man McCain's age around 4 times as likely to die of a heart attack than a man Obama's age. It suggests that age is one of the biggest risk factors.

This is why I hate dealing with the medically unsophisticated.....

Your talking about ONE very broad risk factor that contributes to death.

When weighing THEM ALL....McCain gets the ding...and Obama doesn't...did you see that?

Do we need to do it again?

When ALL the vague and broad risk factors are weighed together...both men are about even.

You also...in your extensive analysis of the literature forgot to mention that 100% of the people over 65 will die.  Roll Eyes

BTW....since you want to analyze SINGLE risk factors...Obama smokes and has smoked most his adult life....how much more likely is HE to die than McCain based on this ONE single risk factor?




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« Reply #67 on: September 03, 2008, 01:32:16 PM »

Please go to this youtube and watch Obama himself discuss his attempt to stop smoking. Want the real deal? Vote Obama.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzGU4hpONJw

And when asked if he had ever used drugs he said that he had. And that he had inhaled. "That was the point," he said. Ya gotta love the guy.

Unless, of course, you are slavering for more tax cuts for the rich and don't care that our health care system is bankrupting businesses and leaving 47 million Americans without health insurance.



Where's McCain? Didn't anyone invite him to the game? Oh, that's right. He was too busy vetting his VP nominee.
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« Reply #68 on: September 03, 2008, 03:54:50 PM »

 Here is some more indication as to the kind of "executive" rule Quailin embraces. First as mayor she wanted to ban some books at the town library. The Librarian would not help her in this totalitarian dictatorial endeavor... What was Palin's answer ?
 She threatened to fire the Librarian ...
 She is perfect fit for the Bush style of executive rule...Play ball with me and do as I wish or face unemployment.
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Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." That woman, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor.
http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1837918,00.html
 
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« Reply #69 on: September 03, 2008, 06:29:07 PM »

I don't believe McCain picked Palin, I believe that he accepted the choice, but that it was made by the people running his campaign during Obama's speech, and that it is a gimmick.

The problem with Palin, considering she is running on the Republican ticket, is that she has a child with Down's Syndrome and a pregnant teenage daughter, and accepting the position of VP isn't really keeping in line with the ideals of the Republican party, that a woman is the heart of the home and should be mother first, career woman second (like, when the kids are grown). The image of her holding a gun... wearing the attitude glasses... etc, it's all some erotic fantasy a man has of what a woman in office should be, in a man's world. She is no Hillary, and I am ashamed of the women who would support such a monstrosity. She might as well keep her mouth shut with that annoying accent, ("The Highest and Hardest Glass Ceiling!"). Ugh.

Obama won me over, despite Hillary not being VP, and I'm defintiely voting Obama '08. It's too bad that every white woman I hear from, including the poorest among them, think he's the antichrist.
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« Reply #70 on: September 03, 2008, 06:44:39 PM »

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The image of her holding a gun... wearing the attitude glasses... etc, it's all some erotic fantasy a man has of what a woman in office should be, in a man's world.

I agree with this 100%. I can see it in the eyes of every man I know that likes her. It's that secretary-ish, let-me-tie-you-up kind of chick that they want to look at for the next for years.

edit: Those "Our Governor is hot/Our state is cold" buttons really drive home that message.
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« Reply #71 on: September 03, 2008, 07:28:20 PM »

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The image of her holding a gun... wearing the attitude glasses... etc, it's all some erotic fantasy a man has of what a woman in office should be, in a man's world.

I agree with this 100%. I can see it in the eyes of every man I know that likes her. It's that secretary-ish, let-me-tie-you-up kind of chick that they want to look at for the next for years.

I think her extreme anti-abortion stance fits into this. Belief that rape victims should be forced to carry the attackers seed is a hard stance against women's rights.


I'm shocked by this choice from McCain's strategist. Ultimately I don't think this gimmick is going to work. The fact that it has a decent enough chance for them to try it is alarming to me. The deeper issue here is anti-politic, people have come to feel powerless then apathetic about unresponsive government and it becomes something of a joke.


Following McCain's campaign is like reading Maxim Magazine, except that it gives me no insight into the consumer electronics market, and the chicks are older.
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« Reply #72 on: September 04, 2008, 05:06:37 AM »

As far as her warm and fuzzy family values go, does anyone believe that her daughter and the 18 year-old who got her pregnant decided to marry of their own free will?

Levi, the 18 year-old, is a hocky player whose MySpace page (since removed) called himself a "fucking redneck" who likes to "hang out with the boys." It also lists him as "in a relationship" but adds, "I don't want kids." [source: Globe and Mail, Sept 3, page A13]

It's pretty obviously a shotgun wedding. So much for the sanctity of marriage.
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« Reply #73 on: September 04, 2008, 05:09:34 AM »

Here is some more indication as to the kind of "executive" rule Quailin embraces. First as mayor she wanted to ban some books at the town library. The Librarian would not help her in this totalitarian dictatorial endeavor... What was Palin's answer ?
 She threatened to fire the Librarian ...
 She is perfect fit for the Bush style of executive rule...Play ball with me and do as I wish or face unemployment.

The Globe and Mail [Sept 3, A12] also reports that she prohibited anyone working for her to talk to the media without her permission--and extremely unusual policy for a small town.

She's Bush with an up-do.
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« Reply #74 on: September 04, 2008, 11:01:54 AM »

Right, but in the real world 83% of heart attacks are in people over the age of 65. Roughly speaking, this makes a man McCain's age around 4 times as likely to die of a heart attack than a man Obama's age. It suggests that age is one of the biggest risk factors.

This is why I hate dealing with the medically unsophisticated.....

Your talking about ONE very broad risk factor that contributes to death.

When weighing THEM ALL....McCain gets the ding...and Obama doesn't...did you see that?

Do we need to do it again?

When ALL the vague and broad risk factors are weighed together...both men are about even.

You also...in your extensive analysis of the literature forgot to mention that 100% of the people over 65 will die.  Roll Eyes

BTW....since you want to analyze SINGLE risk factors...Obama smokes and has smoked most his adult life....how much more likely is HE to die than McCain based on this ONE single risk factor?

You are right, we should analyse all risk factors, not just one. Just like we should consider all illness. Imagine you are working for a health insurance company: surely you must acknowledge that McCain is a greater risk than Obama, due to his age?
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