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So the national media wasn't terribly interested in the fact that Palin apparently fired a government employee for refusing to carry out her personal vendetta, lied about it, "corrected" her statement when confronted with the truth, and possibly continues to lie about it today, but they are all agog over her unwed daughter being pregnant.
Typical.
The only policy issue this involves is Palin's belief that the only birth control that should be taught in public schools is abstenance--despite repeated studies showing how poorly this actually works.
Palin's choice is nutty, but McCain thought a Hail Mary play to the far right crowd was necessary, I guess.
Here's Palin pontificating on our nation's history during her 2006 Governor's race:
Question: Are you offended by the phrase “Under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?
Palin: Not on your life. If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me and I’ll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance.
Source: eagleforumalaska.blogspot.com/2006/07/2006-gubernatorial-candidate.html
Ha. The pledge wasn't even in existance until the late 1800's, and "Under God" added much later than that.
Yep. Another Dan Quayle in the making.
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« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2008, 07:30:05 PM » |
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I have a feeling this will actually matter to people.
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« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2008, 07:34:38 PM » |
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Ah well. At least it appears the father will be stepping up to the plate.
Pretty sad though, if you ask me.
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« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2008, 08:00:51 PM » |
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It's sad too, because the issue of the trooper getting fired is a bigger deal and is a direct public concern. I see the daughter's pregnancy as a private matter. It's a shame how families get brought into politics (I'm also tired of candidates families being touted for positive coverage). By ELISABETH BUMILLER
Published: September 1, 2008
ST. PAUL — A series of disclosures about Gov. Sarah Palin, Senator John McCain’s choice as running mate, called into question on Monday how thoroughly Mr. McCain had examined her background before putting her on the Republican presidential ticket.
On Monday morning, Ms. Palin and her husband, Todd, issued a statement saying that their 17-year-old unmarried daughter, Bristol, was five months pregnant and that she intended to marry the father.
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Although the McCain campaign said that Mr. McCain had known about Bristol Palin’s pregnancy before he asked her mother to join him on the ticket and that he did not consider it disqualifying, top aides were vague on Monday about how and when he had learned of the pregnancy, and from whom. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/02/us/politics/02vetting.html?emDisqualify her? Of course not, because the pregnancy announcement lends itself to this: ST. PAUL, Minnesota (CNN) -- Key evangelical leaders rallied to Sarah Palin's support Monday amid news that her 17-year-old daughter, Bristol, was having a child.
Sarah Palin confirmed Monday that her 17-year-old daughter is pregnant.
Sarah Palin confirmed Monday that her 17-year-old daughter is pregnant.
"Before, they were excited about her, with the Down syndrome baby," conservative, anti-tax activist Grover Norquist said. "But now with this, they are over the moon. It reinforces the fact that this family lives its pro-life values." They're willingly dragging 17 year old girl into the political spotlight to woo the religious right. This is cheap and disgusting. I have less respect for both McCain and Palin for this. |
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« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2008, 11:27:29 PM » |
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Yes it is a topic of interest. She is running for VP of a already controversial nomination. To answer neue regel about rather or not she is to blame for her teens actions? No she is not. But if anyone, especially "conservatives" see nothing wrong with teenage pregnancy we have a problem. Things happen but when you are being watched by the world and expect to push your values and beliefs across to others your shit better be in order.
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« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2008, 03:20:51 AM » |
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So this family goes through what millions of other families go through every year.... if they deal with it with grace, dignity and support...they'll be fine....If the opposition wants to beat her down because of the same circumstances they themselves have either personally experienced or have had someone close experience...they risk alienating voters.
I say let the Democrats cast these stones from the shelter of their glass house.
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« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2008, 04:15:39 AM » |
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the main issue about this should be how poor an abstaince-only education can be.
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« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2008, 05:16:53 AM » |
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My wife had an interesting strong reaction to this, and I wonder whether others, particularly women, will have the same reaction.
My wife and I are almost 50, and her values are rather traditional. For what it's worth, she's a successful fortune 500 executive, and has always worked, and she strongly pushes women networking in the workplace.
Her reaction was that Palin is prioritizing ambition over motherhood and family, and with a downs baby and a pregnant minor daughter, and three other kids, she should be focused on her family more than on being vice president.
Could it be that the issues with her family, and her desire to put more effort into her job than in her family, might collide with the pro-family stance of the GOP?
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« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2008, 05:25:16 AM » |
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Her reaction was that Palin is prioritizing ambition over motherhood and family, and with a downs baby and a pregnant minor daughter, and three other kids, she should be focused on her family more than on being vice president. IMO, some women will see it that way. Other women will relate well to a career woman balancing family. Could it be that the issues with her family, and her desire to put more effort into her job than in her family, might collide with the pro-family stance of the GOP? You are making an assumption about her balance between job and family that may or may not be true. That would be pure speculation. As for the pregnant daughter, all I can say is this ... people can cast stones at the girl but the truth is, a large percentage of people have sex before marriage. Some get caught with a pregnancy, most don't. Not too dissimilar to having a couple of drinks and then driving. |
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« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2008, 05:39:57 AM » |
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The only policy issue this involves is Palin's belief that the only birth control that should be taught in public schools is abstenance--despite repeated studies showing how poorly this actually works.
ok once again you make an unsubstantiated claim about Palin's stance on issues. I do not know, so I am not saying she does not hold this view, but I am asking since you made the claim, if you can back it up. |
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« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2008, 06:34:43 AM » |
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As for the pregnant daughter, all I can say is this ... people can cast stones at the girl but the truth is, a large percentage of people have sex before marriage. I'm sorry but imo that's backwards. It's not about people casting stones at her from the glass house -- this is the Republican's glass house that's getting stoned. You have it backwards. It's just one more example of 'do as we say not as we do' that people find hypocritical about the Republican party. If it weren't for Rep.'s constantly pushing the family values nazi agenda (family values IS a former nazi agenda. Not going to argue about it), we wouldn't even know about her daughter. Lesbian daughter? -- Don't wanna talk about it. That's "personal". But I can go ahead and push for laws that affect every other lesbian daughter who isn't the daughter of a law maker and i can go ahead and tell the rest of the gay world that it's only a "choice". I don't see Cheney telling his daughter it's all just a "choice", otherwise I'm sure he wouldn't be speaking to her at all any longer. You're Gay? You're disgusting and should just go back to hiding. You're a threat to the 'family values'. Unles it's just a little hanky-panky in a mens washroom. The point is Republicans, as a party, love to critizise and judge everyone else on a basis of morality from a fake religiously inspired moral 'high ground'. Now that it's their turn all of a sudden it's "no big deal...you people are stupid for making it an issue...blah blah blah". Its the very same hypocritical crap we see in attacking a candidate again and again on his experience only to turn around and nominate someone with even less experience just to try and woo women voters. The only policy issue this involves is Palin's belief that the only birth control that should be taught in public schools is abstenance--despite repeated studies showing how poorly this actually works.
ok once again you make an unsubstantiated claim about Palin's stance on issues. Tiz true the author of this quote iss constiantly making unsubstantiated claims but it's not an unsubstantiated claim insomuch as it is a Republican party stance on the issue, correct? Ahk |
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« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2008, 06:58:56 AM » |
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The only policy issue this involves is Palin's belief that the only birth control that should be taught in public schools is abstenance--despite repeated studies showing how poorly this actually works.
ok once again you make an unsubstantiated claim about Palin's stance on issues. I do not know, so I am not saying she does not hold this view, but I am asking since you made the claim, if you can back it up. Except Sarah Palin opposes programs that teach teenagers anything about contraception. "The explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support," she said in answering a questionnaire from the conservative Eagle Forum during her 2006 gubernatorial race. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/01/AR2008090102305.htmlNo one is railing on Bristol for getting pregnant, but rather calling out her mother for failing to support policies which could have prevented it. |
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« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2008, 07:04:20 AM » |
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You have it backwards. It's just one more example of 'do as we say not as we do' that people find hypocritical about the Republican party. Let's be fair here...the Republican's (kinda general, since a bunch of (D) feel the same way) favor setting the moral bar high. That doesn't mean Republicans are perfect...far from it. But the goal is still high. Setting the bar high and missing the goal is not hypocritical. The point is Republicans, as a party, love to critizise and judge everyone else on a basis of morality from a fake religiously inspired moral 'high ground'. Now that it's their turn all of a sudden it's "no big deal...you people are stupid for making it an issue...blah blah blah". Its the very same hypocritical crap we see in attacking a candidate again and again on his experience only to turn around and nominate someone with even less experience just to try and woo women voters. Being judgmental is NOT a trait of a true Christian. That being said, some things NEED to be criticized and called into account. Some things are just plain wrong in a society. ps: the issue of the girl being pregnant has no place in the election, and on this, I agree with Obama 100%. |
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« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2008, 07:11:08 AM » |
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ps: the issue of the girl being pregnant has no place in the election, and on this, I agree with Obama 100%. Okay, fair enough. Then you wouldn't be disappointed if the entire "family values" plank was missing from the platform? Most everything about the ambiguous, (i.e. make it whatever I want it to be when I want it to be), family values schtick involves moral judgment upon others and the making of hypocritical mine fields. Can we agree this is subject matter better dealt with by individuals and not political agenda or, in all but extreme cases, laws? Setting the bar high and missing the goal is not hypocritical.
It is if you make it a point of contention with others but not yourself. (Rhetorical use of the word "you" here). Ahk |
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« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2008, 07:16:00 AM » |
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I'm not even sure what 'family values' in the political context means. McCain doesn't have a section on his website addressing it. I can't imagine I'd care too much if that label were gone.
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