AMEN!! I see the light!

Yes absolutely. Amen

However why isn't this brought up unless it's about a democrat? This was a big Rep talking point a few weeks back, their silence on Palin now only reinforces the lefty talking point that anyone Republican and religious is a nutter, or someone who secretly believes that stuff to be true but doesn't want to admit it. Obama distanced himself. Palin says nothing about it which seems to endorse it. Is it just that they don't want to alienate that voting base? Obama didn't seem to mind if he lost his pastors vote.




Ahk

The Messiah distanced himself ONLY after it seemed to gain traction....and now you guys give him a pass for doing so.

How many weeks/months did that all transpire?

If this gains traction against Palin.....she may distance herself....as a saavy politician has already demonstrated is Okie-Dokie

But....she's in her SECOND week on-scene.

But somehow....I believe if or when she does this....the opposition will fail to see the hypocrisy in giving Obama a pass...unless they believe he's NOT really a Christian......and that standards for a spiritual advisor and Pastor are different.

I never said he had spine. I said he distanced himself.

Who knows - maybe he's being a hypocrite; maybe he's lying; but in no uncertain terms he laid out what exactly he thinks about that in terms of what it is to him as a potential political policy. His comments never once gave anyone the idea he was thinking taking any of that to the Whitehouse. Why is Palin, and many many other Republicans contenders/politicians, content to let it pass when someone says "God chose them to lead us"?

Is this what you want? A leader who is "chosen by God" or if questioned is tantimount to questionming God? I don't believe Bush really believes that but I believe he let stuff like that pass so it wouldn't alienate that voter base. Did he make suckers of them? Because I don't see what he did once he got into the Whitehouse to curb abortion or bring the story of creationism into high Schools etc etc. That's what they wanted and he was all too willing to be their man.


not exactly. The Reps dug and dug and dug then found that and made an issue of it just as the Dems are making an issue out of this. He made his intentions clear while the Republicans are happy to whistle along hoping no one notices they aren't going to deny the REAL claims of Messiah-hood.
Ahk

Yeah yeah yeah. "Messiah". Keep plugging that old one. Are you one of those people Patton that says, "To hell with the issues, I'm just going to keep pushing this "Messiah" line until people fall for it"? It's the Republicans that laid the snide "Messiah" crap...mostly because they can't seem to bring him down unless the hoist him way up first.

I would give Palin or Bush a pass on this issue too if they had the guts to stand up and either confirm or deny their own little notions of "Messiah-dom".



Ahk

People that belioegve in god believe everything they do is gods will.  In their mind its what god wants for them so god chose her to be governer.  the same is true of Obama if he believes in a god and the fact chose choses our path, and he has said before.. "you will have an epiphany"....

How hard is that to understand.

I dont belive in a god persay so my will is my own.  I chose my path and it is not dictated by anyone but me.

Don't condesend to me just because you don't like the implications of things that preacher/Palin said. I think I understand it a lot better than you're willing to admit. Now that you feel backed into a corner you're going to go with this "God's plan" thing.


Don't play victim or stupid Patton.

All throughout history are those who said "I lead because God wills it" and you would be right there to scoff, denigrate and spit on them so don't play victim now. No one is denigrating you. They are understandable concerns. What about people who are 'not of faith'? Should they just leave the country? Get back down to earth will ya? That's what the whole seperation of church and state is for. Protects the state from the church and the church from the state.


You're doing the same thing the conspiricy theorists do. You are claiming something and then claiming that since 85% of the people 'believe in God' that they believe as you do. They don't. 85% of the US does not believe it's God's plan for America to be in Iraq so lets stick with the issue.

That and faith are not at issue here as much as you would like to make it so. What is at issue here is do you want to run your country as with a seperation of church and state or do you want to run the country as a Christian version of Iran?


This is a load of BS and you know it too. If you don't want to be 'denigrated' then stop actiing stupid. Revelations, huh? So how many times in the past 2000 years did it appear as though the world was going to come to an end and didn't? Never mind that, you have 'faith' don't you? Is that the same kind of faith that tells the world Iran has no homosexuals?

There's a point where 'faith' crosses the line and becomes lying to yourself and expecting everyone else to go along with it. Just because I don't fall for it does not actually mean I cannot comprehend 'faith' as much as you wish. but go ahead and keep telling yourself that -- I mean keep having 'faith' in that.

Bottom line Patton: do you want your country run by a series of religious leaders -- with no voting because after all voting for the wrong party will end you up in Hell so no one votes any longer.


"Revelations". lol. I don't know what's eating you these days but you're nuts if you thought that was going to fly. You guys said it was revelations back in the '50s too. And 100 years before that. And a hundred years before that.
Ahk

I do see this as fairly analogous to the Wright issue. Patton is right, people should object or just leave when nonsense like this is being spouted from the pulpit. I don't really see either case as that big of a deal though. It certainly doesn't raise my opinion of either of them, but it's not really a big issue to me.

It can be an indication of the influences on the candidate, but IMO, demanding that people own or disown statements made by someone else has reached a level of true absurdity in this country.