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Author Topic: Surge Succeeded Beyond ‘Wildest Dreams’  (Read 59 times)
Reaganite
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« on: September 04, 2008, 01:22:24 PM »

"The troop surge in Iraq has been more successful than anyone could have imagined"

"it had helped reduce violence in the country." 

"the 2007 increase in U.S. troops has benefited the Iraqi people."

“I think that the surge has succeeded in ways that nobody anticipated,”
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« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2008, 01:23:17 PM »

who voted againts it and who voted for it?
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« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2008, 01:28:50 PM »

Doesn't really matter and it's not going to fool anyone including yourself.

You me and everyone else knows that the extra troops were called for years before the surge while the Bush Admin tried it's failed policy of hiring 1 year graduates to be the Iraqi minister of the Interior simply because they were 'yes men', etc, and Abu Garib. It was going to hell in a hand basket until they finally listened to someone besides themselves - until they finally listened to what the generals told them from day one: we need more troops. Like 100000 more. And it's still not out of hot water yet.

You know it. i know it. You know the Bush admin was incompetent (yes. you do.) so why are you so hell bent on 4 more years of it of the same crap? You really hate the Democrats that much or is it that deep inside you just hate your country that much? Or are you just pissed you were taken for a ride the second time in for Bush and now saving face is all that matters?


And while we're at it, where's this kind of honesty in your, "I can't seem to recall", party? Is that honesty his 'inexperience' showing?

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« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2008, 01:31:41 PM »

Dont look at me those are DIRECT quotes from OBAMA...

the guy that voted againts the surge....

So even though "You me and everyone else knows that the extra troops were called for for years while the Bush Admin tried it's failed policy of hiring 1 year graduates to be the Iraqi minister of the Interior and Abu Garib. it was going to hell in a hand basket until they finally listened to someone besides themselves - until they finally listened to what the generals told them from day one: we need more troops. Like 100000 more."

OBAMA WAS WRONG...

Although the fact he is raving about the surge now means I guess he admist he was wrong.  heh
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« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2008, 01:35:13 PM »

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OBAMA WAS WRONG...

So? What's your point? And he admits it and carries on. That's what a leader does, they face reality and they deal with reality. No point doing anything else. They don't just sit there and say the same meaningless crap over and over again without facing the question. They don't just try and get cute and say, "Best of my knowledge I was following what I truely believe to be Gods plan". Did that go over your head?

Perhaps you'd be happier if he just said "I don't recall saying that", or maybe fire one of his advisors and scape goat him for it?


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« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2008, 01:38:52 PM »

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OBAMA WAS WRONG...

So? What's your point? And he admits it and carries on. That's what a leader does, they face reality and deal with it.  Did that go over your head or would you be happier if he just said "I don't recall saying that".




These are quotes he made TODAY elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/04/obama-surge-succeeded-beyond-wildest-dreams/

umm nope he still would not change his vote....  wierd since you would think he would.
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« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2008, 01:46:03 PM »

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hese are quotes he made TODAY elections

In context of the conversation that doesn't even make sense.
I ask again, instead of conceeding the surge worked should he just pretend it doesn't matter and hand people back a bunch of crap that doesn't address it?
Should he have just said "I don't remember saying that" like so many in your party do?
Should he just sit there and continue to deny reality in the face of it like the Bush admin has done for 8 years?
Why don't you like answering that stuff plainly and truthfully Reaganite? Do you really hate truth that much?

The surge (maybe) got the troops and Iraq out of the hot water Bush and Rummy put them in and that's all there is to it. You don't convince me now trying to pretend it was anything else.



Again I ask so don't avoid:
Where is that kind of honesty in the Republican party? Busy having sex in the washroom?

How does a 6 1/2 year failed policy in Iraq get waashed away by a surge that should've come years earlier? How does Obama seeing it for what it is now and admitting it make him look even remotely as bad?

How can you say Obama voted against it and that's bad, while Bush didn't think those extra troops were needed for 6 years and that's "experienced leadership"?


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« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2008, 01:57:46 PM »

You are right Bush and rummy sucked when they did not send the troops McCain said should be sent at the beginning.

So from the beginning McCain was right and Obama was wrong

In any event Obama said the surge was wrong and actually voted in opposition of it.. He was wrong which means his judgment on the issue is and was wrong based on real votes.  Notice how he has dropped Iraq when making stumnp speaches.  Now its all about the economy, and tying McCain to it, but McCain voted for teh same budget that Obama voted for...  /boggle.  McCain would be wise to make Iraq a center point of this campaign for the next 60 days and push the fact Obama was wrong.

Bush may be judged harshly in the next 10-15 years but down the road if the democracy sticks in Iraq and spreads to other nations in the ME I can see him being seen as a visionary.

I guess I will have to keep posting here for 20 years to find out Smiley




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