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« on: September 27, 2007, 10:33:27 AM »

http://www.theeagle.com/stories/092707/schools_20070927025.php

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Six A&M Consolidated High School seniors were named semifinalists in the National Hispanic Recognition Program. Award winners were Cindy Cepeda, Adam Garrett, Raniero Lara-Garduno, Christopher Lewis, Wesley McDougal and Ignacio Olivera.

There were five National Hispanic Recognition Program semifinalists at Bryan High School: Grace Gage, Camille Horbaczewski, Jordan Lara, Elisa Ramirez and Katie Watson.

The National Hispanic Recognition Program honors students who are at least one-quarter Hispanic and earn a high score on the PSAT during their junior year of high school.

About 3,300 students are honored each year by the program, which is administered by the College Board.

One A&M Consolidated High School senior - Kanyinsola Ojo - qualified as a semifinalist in the National Achievement Scholarship Program, a similar program for black students.

Now imagine if you will, a similiar award for whites only. The uproar would deafen us all. Pathetic.

Is it any less racist to award someone becuae they are hispanic? or black?
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« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2007, 10:54:21 AM »

http://www.theeagle.com/stories/092707/schools_20070927025.php

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Six A&M Consolidated High School seniors were named semifinalists in the National Hispanic Recognition Program. Award winners were Cindy Cepeda, Adam Garrett, Raniero Lara-Garduno, Christopher Lewis, Wesley McDougal and Ignacio Olivera.

There were five National Hispanic Recognition Program semifinalists at Bryan High School: Grace Gage, Camille Horbaczewski, Jordan Lara, Elisa Ramirez and Katie Watson.

The National Hispanic Recognition Program honors students who are at least one-quarter Hispanic and earn a high score on the PSAT during their junior year of high school.

About 3,300 students are honored each year by the program, which is administered by the College Board.

One A&M Consolidated High School senior - Kanyinsola Ojo - qualified as a semifinalist in the National Achievement Scholarship Program, a similar program for black students.

Now imagine if you will, a similiar award for whites only. The uproar would deafen us all. Pathetic.

Is it any less racist to award someone becuae they are hispanic? or black?

They're required to perform better than average too. Wink
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« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2007, 10:54:35 AM »

i couldn't agree more!
special rights instead of equal rights
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« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2007, 10:57:27 AM »

http://www.theeagle.com/stories/092707/schools_20070927025.php

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Six A&M Consolidated High School seniors were named semifinalists in the National Hispanic Recognition Program. Award winners were Cindy Cepeda, Adam Garrett, Raniero Lara-Garduno, Christopher Lewis, Wesley McDougal and Ignacio Olivera.

There were five National Hispanic Recognition Program semifinalists at Bryan High School: Grace Gage, Camille Horbaczewski, Jordan Lara, Elisa Ramirez and Katie Watson.

The National Hispanic Recognition Program honors students who are at least one-quarter Hispanic and earn a high score on the PSAT during their junior year of high school.

About 3,300 students are honored each year by the program, which is administered by the College Board.

One A&M Consolidated High School senior - Kanyinsola Ojo - qualified as a semifinalist in the National Achievement Scholarship Program, a similar program for black students.

Now imagine if you will, a similiar award for whites only. The uproar would deafen us all. Pathetic.

Is it any less racist to award someone becuae they are hispanic? or black?

They're required to perform better than average too. Wink

yes, that is the point. but you must be hispanic to actually recognized.
white who excel just as much if not more dont get the award cause that would be racist. but everyone knows a minority is incapable of being racist  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2007, 03:04:11 PM »

What special rights did they get? It looks like Spanish orginizations giving to Spanish kids...

Is it federal money?
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« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2007, 07:19:36 PM »

What special rights did they get? It looks like Spanish orginizations giving to Spanish kids...

Is it federal money?

not sure didnt follow up on the story.
wasnt there a story a while back where white kids were offering like a $50 grant for white student and the backlash was huge? they couldnt even do it with their own money as i recall.

imagine white orginizations.... well uh scratch that. unless your the klan there is no white orginizations. and we see why people dont start any cause of these collage students bad press.

if your pro-white then you must be anti-minority according to the double standard it seems.

and please dont read into this wrong. im not pro-white. im anti-segragation. we are all part of the human race. but as long as there will be orginizations based on the improvements of minorities only then i see no other option but to be against it and the people who are for it.
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« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2007, 07:24:56 PM »

Well a private company can help whoever they want, so long as it's not federal money. You can't sue because of discrimination in this case, can you?

This is asked out of ignorance. I don't actually know anything about law.
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« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2007, 07:40:35 PM »

Well a private company can help whoever they want, so long as it's not federal money. You can't sue because of discrimination in this case, can you?

This is asked out of ignorance. I don't actually know anything about law.

i dont know law either, its the media and special intrests of so called human rights or civil rights leaders who put out this feeling of white = bad and minority = victim. and all the people who buy into this that are white must be brain washed or just a silent majority. look what being silent has got us.

5 black kids beat the snot outta a white kid while the white kids white friend taped it. is there a hate crime here? no. would it be if the tables were turned? i would think the "civil rights leaders" would be out by the droves. i just hate the inconsistency of the "civil rights" when it comes to whites.

Main Entry: civil rights
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: the nonpolitical rights of a citizen; especially : the rights of personal liberty guaranteed to United States citizens by the 13th and 14th amendments to the Constitution and by acts of Congress

where does it say this only applies to non whites?
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« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2007, 07:55:37 PM »

Well, hate crime legislation is inherently unconstitutional, so that is one debate we can avoid.

This one, though, is a little more complicated because it ultimately matters where the money comes from.

From the article:

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More than 1,600 students across the country were recognized in the National Achievement Scholarship Program this year.

It looks like this "National Hispanic Recognition Program" is a subgroup of some kind, so it's likely all races are at least honored in some way.

I looked around and found this:

Quote from: CollegeBoard.com
The College Board's NHRP was initiated in 1983 to identify outstanding Hispanic high school students and to share information about these academically well-prepared students with subscribing colleges and universities. In order to be eligible, students must be at least one-quarter Hispanic. Each year the NHRP identifies approximately 3,300 of the highest scoring students from a nationwide total of 124,000 high school juniors who took the PSAT/NMSQT and designated themselves as Hispanic, as well as approximately 125 of the top scoring PAA students from Puerto Rico. The nationwide selection also includes students from Puerto Rico, U.S. Virgin Islands, Guam, and U.S. citizens attending international and APO schools.

Although the College Board is not able to provide a monetary award to these students, an important component of the program is the CD-ROM distributed to subscribing four-year postsecondary institutions. This CD-ROM lists the names of all students selected in the program and is mailed in September to these subscribing colleges and universities. Being listed may give students an opportunity to hear from colleges that are particularly interested in communicating with prospective students of Hispanic heritage.

There's NO money involved, so that's good.

I guess you could say this is a step down from Affirmitive Action, a program I detest entirely, but I think that would be innacurate. Personally, now that I know these details, I don't have a real problem with this.
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« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2007, 07:59:20 PM »

my problem is that it would be racist if you remove the word hispanic and insert white or at least 1/4 white.
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« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2007, 08:03:14 PM »

True. No argument here.
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« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2007, 09:03:01 PM »

People think of themselves as being "insert skin color, ancesrty, whatever here"-Americans too much and as just Americans not enough.


I personally have no desire to be part of any group or program that excludes people based on ethnicity, or that has race-specific goals. TBH, shit like that weirds me out a little no matter who's doing it.

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« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2007, 05:05:31 AM »

There was once a small business owner who had 3 employees. Business was gong bad so he went to his employees and said "I have to let one of you go."

The black man said "If you fire me I will sue you for racial discrimination"

The woman said "If you fire me I will sue you got sexual discrimination."

The white male said "I think I'm Gay?"
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