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Author Topic: Do you really believe in Democracy?  (Read 4295 times)
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« Reply #45 on: July 27, 2008, 03:58:13 AM »

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Fuck Democracy.  Long live the Republic.

  A Constitutional Republic.  By Constitutional law, thats what we still are. And that is exactly the rule of Law we should be following.  For if we had, our currency would not be on the brink of collapse.  Our Federal government would be small and efficient.   And, we wouldn't have more people in prison (per capita) then any other country, ever, in the history of man. What we need to do is start prosecuting each and every elected official, who took an oath to uphold the Constitution of these United States, and start putting them in Jail for not fulfilling their oath.  The way it stands now, those in power roam the halls of Justice with impunity.  Which, by default, makes them "Halls of Corruption", and the corruption has deep roots.  We need to get back to our "original" roots.....The Constitution.  The system is all there.  All we have to do is abide by it.
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« Reply #46 on: July 27, 2008, 06:04:49 PM »

Oswald, "Social Fascism-Patriotism and social justice." Huh?

What is that?

How would that be better than representative democracy, if we could achieve it?

Or do you think rep demo is not achievable?

What is Social Fascism? Nationalization of the economy, massive public works, isolationism in foreign affairs and love of our nation above all. It is not Nazism or genocide.

Probably not achievable (at least in our lifetime).

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It was tried numerous times with numerous variations in the 20th century.  Please point to a success or near success.
Most of us Americans are anti-democratic. Take this test and see if you believe in democracy: ...
Voting for representatives to vote on your behalf is not exactly democracy to begin with.

It is just one democratic-like process applied to a system of elite rule for the purpose of implying 'symbolic' permission of the governed.

If you seek more democracy, then refining the process of appointing elite representatives is the last thing you should be concerned with.



A regrettable necessity due to logistics.  Direct democracy hasn't governed much more than a city-state and our histories of said states doesn't lead me to think they were fairer or more just places to live than the United States is.  Our system tries to balance the benefits of pure democracy with safeguards on its most damaging features and all in all, we could do much worse.
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