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Author Topic: Increased US attacks inside Pakistan -NOW OFFICIAL-  (Read 765 times)
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« on: September 08, 2008, 11:27:48 AM »

More drone attacks and even an official commando incursion... and now the bombing of a Madrasha.
Is it the influence of Musharaff's departure? interresting that links between taliban and the ISI become more and more exposed.

 
Quote from: Haji Mujtaba - Mon Sep 8, 11:01 AM - MIRANSHAH, Pakistan (Reuters)
Missiles fired by U.S. drones killed 16 people, including Pakistani and Afghan Taliban fighters, on Monday in a strike targeting a religious school founded by an old friend of Osama bin Laden, intelligence officials and Pakistani villagers said.
 
The missiles hit a sprawling complex comprising a house and a religious school or madrasa founded by Taliban commander Jalaluddin Haqqani near Miranshah, the main town of North Waziristan tribal region on the Afghan border.

Ten militants and a sister, a sister-in-law and two nieces of Haqqani as well as two children were killed in the attack, residents said.

"There were two drones and they fired three missiles," said a resident of Dandi Darpakheil, the village which was hit.
Haqqani is a veteran commander of the U.S.-backed Afghan war against the Soviet invasion in the 1970s and 1980s, and his links with bin Laden go back to the late 1980s.

He is said to be in ill-health and his son, Sirajuddin, has been leading the Haqqani group.
"They belonged to Sirajuddin Haqqani group," said an intelligence officer, speaking on condition of anonymity, referring to the militants killed in the attack.

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(ISI).

The New York Times reported in July that the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency had given Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani evidence of the ISI's involvement with Haqqani, along with evidence of ISI connections to a suicide bombing at the Indian embassy in Kabul that killed nearly 60 people on July 7.

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U.S.-led forces recently stepped up cross-border attacks against al Qaeda and Taliban targets in Pakistani tribal areas.

Helicopter-borne commandos carried out a ground assault in South Waziristan last Wednesday, the first known incursion into Pakistan by U.S. troops since the 2001 invasion of Afghanistan.

Pakistani officials said 20 people, including women and children, were killed in the attack which drew a furious response from the government and stoked anti-American sentiment.

A day later, four Islamist militants were killed and five wounded in a suspected U.S. drone attack in North Waziristan.
Security officials said five people were killed in another drone attack on Friday, but the Pakistan military denied it.

Anger over the U.S. commando raid and repeated territorial violations prompted the government to partially block supply lines to Western forces in landlocked Afghanistan on Saturday.
Rehman Malik, the top Interior Ministry official, said on Monday the road was unblocked after a few hours, and that it had only been shut for security reasons, contrary to earlier comments by the defence minister that it was a response to the violations.

Separately, the army killed 10 militants in clashes in the northwestern Swat Valley on Sunday night, while police arrested a teenaged suicide bomber who had planned to attack army installations in the northwestern garrison town of Nowshera.

Thirty people were killed in a suicide car bomb attack in the nearby city of Peshawar on Saturday.




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« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2008, 11:55:08 AM »



'Tis about time! Took the basterds long enough.  Cool
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« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2008, 01:33:35 PM »

While there may be an increase I believe it's mostly a precieved increase.

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Is it the influence of Musharaff's departure?

You have noticed this 'increase' coincides with Musharraf leaving too? My guess is that while he was still in command he was able to keep a lot of these reports quiet or the attacks cooridinated. perhaps he was even pre-warned. But even before he left, years before he left, we heard of supposed and not-so-supposed attacks like these.



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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2008, 11:14:28 AM »

Also notice that today the americans admitted that their current strategy failed, that they planned more troops and stressed on action on the Pakistan side of the border aka "a zone between Afghanistan and Pakistan" which is more exact.

Pakistan should refrain from repeating this silly allegation this it's Pakistanese souvereign territory while they don't control anything there.
Everytime the Paki army patrols this region, they are attacked by insurgents. How come it's sovereign?
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« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2008, 11:58:59 AM »

Now it's official: Bush ordered attacks inside Pakistan as advised for a long time by Ahmid Karzai.
I don't think it's because of electoral pressures as some pundits have put it. It's simple normal sens strategy. Al-Qaida is hiding there, the US must strie there.

I also think that Pakistan beefs up troops in the border region and start fighting taliban seriousely, better than the hit-and-make-truce approache by Musharaff, the ancient taliban ally.

Quote from: Augustine Anthony ISLAMABAD (Reuters)
Afghan President Hamid Karzai backed a proposed U.S. strategy on Thursday to hit al Qaeda and Taliban militants in neighboring Pakistan, but NATO said it would not join any cross-border U.S. raids.
 
Pakistan's army chief General Ashfaq Kayani has said his country would not allow foreign troops to conduct operations on its soil, warning that Pakistan's sovereignty would be defended "at all cost."

But The New York Times reported that President George W. Bush secretly approved orders in July allowing U.S. special forces to carry out ground assaults inside Pakistan without approval from the Pakistan government.

It said Bush's orders reflect concern about safe havens for al Qaeda and the Taliban inside Pakistan and an American view that Pakistan lacks the will and ability to combat militants.

"The situation in the tribal areas is not tolerable," the Times quoted a senior U.S. official as saying. "We have to be more assertive. Orders have been issued."

Helicopter-borne U.S. commandos carried out a ground assault in Pakistan's South Waziristan, a sanctuary for al Qaeda operatives, last week, the first known incursion into Pakistan by U.S. troops since the 2001 invasion of Afghanistan. The raid killed 20 people, including women and children.

U.S. Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said on Wednesday he was "looking at a new, more comprehensive strategy" that would cover both sides of the Afghan-Pakistani border.

Karzai faces an intensified insurgency in Afghanistan and has advocated hot-pursuit missions into Pakistan before. At a news conference in Kabul on Thursday he backed Mullen's shift.

"Change of strategy is essential," Karzai said. "It means that we go to those areas which are the training bases and havens of (terrorists) and we jointly go there and remove and destroy them."

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Pakistan's U.S. ambassador, Husain Haqqani, disputed the Times article and said in any case such an authorization was not binding on his country.

"In our bilateral discussions, no such idea has been mooted and will certainly not be accepted by Pakistan," he told Reuters in an interview. "Pakistan would not accept foreign troops. This is not the best way to pursue the war against terror."

A senior Pakistani official, who asked not to be named, said unilateral U.S. military action would only further antagonize Pakistanis, especially if civilians were accidentally killed as has happened in past raid.

"You go in, you kill a few villagers, you don't know who the heck you're killing ... A cowboy approach is only going to antagonize Pakistanis," the official said.

In the latest fighting in Pakistan's northwestern Bajaur region, close to the Afghan border, Pakistani security forces killed up to 100 al Qaeda-linked militants in fierce clashes, a security official said.

"Eighty to 100 militants were killed in Bajaur today. Most of them are foreigners," the official said on condition of anonymity.

Troops have killed more than 600 militants in Bajaur since August, the government says.

Militants in Bajaur, where some analysts believe top al Qaeda leaders are hiding, regularly cross into Afghanistan to attack Western troops and government forces there.

NATO, which leads a force of some 53,000 troops in Afghanistan alongside a separate U.S. force, said it would not take part in raids into Pakistan.

"The NATO policy, that is our mandate, ends at the border," spokesman James Appathurai said. "There are no ground or air incursions by NATO forces into Pakistani territory."

Some Pakistani analysts say a frustrated U.S. administration wants to score points before a November election but it risks sparking an uprising among ethnic Pashtuns.

"We will convince the U.S. that it can get nothing through unilateral action in tribal areas except opposition of the masses," Haqqani was reported telling the BBC.

Last week's U.S. attack also complicates the situation for Pakistan's new civilian president, Asif Ali Zardari, who was sworn in on Tuesday, having forced former army chief Pervez Musharraf to stand down last month after nine years in power.

The U.S.-led campaign against militancy is unpopular in Pakistan. Zardari is seen as close to the United States but, as an elected civilian leader, he cannot ignore public opinion.

The new government in Islamabad says it is committed to the campaign against militancy, launched after the September 11 attacks seven years ago, but bans incursions by U.S. troops

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« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2008, 11:42:07 AM »

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« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2008, 09:27:36 PM »

These must be the Joos who made US attack Pakis!
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« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2008, 11:27:34 AM »

Seriousely, I think the new governement of Pakistan is tackling the taliban problem at the root much more seriousely than Mushy did.
They just don't want to say it publicaly and make big noise with their outrage from illegal US incursion into sovereign pakistan territory.
But they want to diminish the shame of having that, and that's why they are reconquering their sovereign land.
They killed 500 militants since August, a number never equaled in the past by a muslim non-US-led force. And today, they took two strongholds from the taliban.
Quote from: By Augustine Anthony ISLAMABAD (Reuters)
Pakistani soldiers captured two militant strongholds and inflicted heavy casualties during fighting on Saturday in northwestern mountains near the Afghan border, a military spokesman said.

There were no reports of U.S. attacks on militants on the Pakistani side of the border. A missile fired by a U.S. drone aircraft killed 14 people in northwest Pakistan on Friday, the fifth missile strike in Pakistan this month.

The U.S. strikes have angered Pakistan and strained relations between the allies. That tension has added to the worries of investors who have seen Pakistan's financial markets battered by political turmoil and economic problems this year.

Pakistani forces launched offensives against al Qaeda and Taliban militants in the northwestern areas of Bajaur and Swat in August. The government says more than 500 militants have been killed.

On Saturday, security forces backed by air strikes captured two militant positions in Bajaur, said military spokesman Major Murad Khan. Militant spokesmen were not available to comment.

"Intense exchange of fire took place throughout the day," Khan said. "Miscreant locations were engaged using air, artillery and combat aviation inflicting heavy casualties."

Khan gave no details about government casualties.

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« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2008, 08:32:25 AM »

I said a while back that I predict armed conflict with pakistan before Iran....

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Pakistani troops have fired shots into the air to stop US troops crossing into the South Waziristan region of Pakistan, local officials say.
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« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2008, 09:00:25 AM »

yep...Here we go.

"Pakistan orders troops to repel U.S. raids"

"Pakistan's military has ordered its forces to open fire if U.S. troops launch another air or ground raid across the Afghan border, an army spokesman said Tuesday.

The orders, which come in response to a highly unusual September. 3 ground attack by U.S. commandos, are certain to heighten tension between Washington and a key ally against terrorism.

Pakistan's civilian leaders have protested the raid but say the dispute should be resolved through diplomatic channels.

However, army spokesman Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas told The Associated Press that after U.S. helicopters ferried troops into a militant stronghold in the South Waziristan tribal region, the military told field commanders to prevent any similar raids.

"The orders are clear," Abbas said in an interview. "In case it happens again in this form, that there is a very significant detection, which is very definite, no ambiguity, across the border, on ground or in the air: open fire."

U.S. military commanders accuse Islamabad of doing too little to prevent the Taliban and other militant groups from recruiting, training and resupplying in Pakistan's wild tribal belt.

Pakistan acknowledges the presence of al-Qaida fugitives and its difficulties in preventing..."

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« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2008, 01:44:30 PM »

if u really want to subdue a Muslim territory u must take over the neighbouring areas and those that neighbour the latter and the farther outreaches as well. Simply striking a deal with neighbouring regimes and paying them money to do some job isn't good enough. With all the geostrategic Kamasutra going on between the US and the House of Saud, the KSA jihadists were never stopped from entering Iraq. And the smuggling from Egypt into Gaza was never stopped despite Mubarak being the babyboy of America. It's Dar ul Islam, folks, you will never localize your invasion into any part of it. It will tend to react as a whole.
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« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2008, 02:40:38 PM »

Ahk,
US troops will intervene where no Paki soldier is seen in a 100 miles radius. This region is so huge that they can consider themselves lucky rather than unlucky if Paki and american meet each others overthere.
When paklistan finaly decide to flood the area with troops, there may be no US incursion and drone attacks.
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« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2008, 07:08:15 AM »

Hopefully, but the question now Fred is the purpose of Pakistani troops. Their mission to root out militants wasn't exactly their favorite. Now that there's a new boss who knows what their plans are. Already they've run into each other.

Remember even though it is 100miles radius there are only so many places by road, foot or helicopter that troops can cross.
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« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2008, 04:21:22 AM »

interesting that such things should happen under Zardari, the most pro-American pres there can possibly be in Pak. Either Zardari seeks to escape the "puppet" tag, or he is simply in no control of the army, or some generals want to set him up because of his conflict with Musharraf. Or is it that Americans never crossed into Pak before and took Zardari's election as a permission? Hardly.
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« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2008, 01:37:47 PM »

No, I don't think that american took Zardari election as a permission, but they nevertheless toed the water to see his reaction. And his reaction was swift and uncompromised.
I think that Zardari wants to root out militants as much as Karzai and the US, but that american intrusion on Pakistanese Holly Land is too big an offense to muslims.
If Zardari wants to look credible to the Pakistanese population, he is obliged to send troops in the boerder region to fight Taliban but also prevent americans to fight Taliban there too.
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