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« on: September 16, 2008, 01:53:02 PM » |
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Okay long before Palin was nominated as VP, when the state of Alaska opened an investigation into Palin's firing of her public service commissioner, she said she had no problem testifying. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/16/palin-allies-sue-to-halt-trooper-probe/The investigative panel is composed of 6 republicans and 4 democrats. After being nominated she now refuses to cooperate with the investigation because it's "Tainted by Democrat political partisanship"....with 6 republicans and 4 democrats. Now she calls it "McCarthyistic" (doesn't help her metaphor that Joseph McCarthy was a Republican) and has mobilized her state legislators to try and halt the investigation. Already her party, one of the two parties claiming to be the ones who will bring 'change' is already scrambling in the background to support her iin her decision to give the American Justice system the finger....just as they have for 8 years now. So obviously, and with 2.5 months to go, we can see that already a vote for republican is a vote for 4 more years of the same, "Screw you" to the law. Reasons? Anyone? I don't expect any serious or honest answers from the Repuiblicans here (they would be refreshing though), but the self-serving rationalizations are entertaining. Ahk |
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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2008, 02:21:07 PM » |
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Don't know much about this yet other than a few things here and there but my guess (and it's only a guess) would be that her new people (McCain advisers) don't want this to hinder any chances of the McCain/Palin ticket getting elected so they want to drag it out until after election day. She seemed to have no problem doing it before but it would cast a negative light right now even if she is innocent and the media would be all over it.
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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2008, 02:23:38 PM » |
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Let's assume for arguments sake you are right. That's acceptable to you?
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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2008, 02:31:19 PM » |
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She is no friend to many Republicans in Alaska since her advocacy for vetting corruption ensnared a few....so just because there are Republicans on the panel does not mean anything....that being said....if anyone believes anything can be done from an investigative standpoint that will not include partisanship....especially with the degree of fulminate hatred of her from the left....then I'd like to sell you a bridge.
Just as investigative matters were held off on Bill Clinton with regards to Paula Jones and Kathleen Willey until he left the Presidency....this investigation can be held off until the second week of November....that will certainly take any partisan air out of the sails.
If someone is really bent on this firing....and think that as far as all allegations/truths/half truths with regards to all politicians....then I believe they should assume that everything that is alledged is true....and if that is a show-stopper for them, then do not vote for her and McCain....if however...in the grand scheme of things...and believeing all politicians lie, and weighed against others told regarding infanticide....and think this is relatively minor....then it won't really matter then.
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« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2008, 03:02:23 PM » |
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Just as investigative matters were held off on Bill Clinton with regards to Paula Jones and Kathleen Willey until he left the Presidency....this investigation can be held off until the second week of November. Hmm. I don't like it much but I have to admit that's pretty valid. Ahk |
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« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2008, 04:23:44 PM » |
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This is a politically driven witch hunt and it's in Palin's best interest not to testify.
Here's the bottom line, Palin was the boss and she had the authority to fire any body for any reason.
Since when is it a crime for a boss to fire his employees?
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« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2008, 06:11:17 PM » |
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Since when is it a crime for a boss to fire his employees? When it violates their rights. However.....I do believe you when you said it is politically driven.....as most things are this close to election time. |
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« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2008, 06:26:52 PM » |
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Just as investigative matters were held off on Bill Clinton with regards to Paula Jones and Kathleen Willey until he left the Presidency....this investigation can be held off until the second week of November....that will certainly take any partisan air out of the sails. 1) Palin's not merely delaying justice, she's trying to avoid it altogether. 2) Please refresh our memories of how clinton was allowed to delay matters until after he left the presidency. My recollection, which is apparently faulty, is that Clinton and his defense team challenged Jones's right to bring a civil lawsuit against a sitting president for an incident that occurred prior to the defendant's becoming president. The Clinton defense team took the position that the trial should be delayed until the president was no longer in office, because the job of the president is unique and does not allow him to take time away from it to deal with a private civil lawsuit. The Supreme Court, on May 27, 1997, allowed Jones' lawsuit to proceed. On November 13, 1998, with more than two years left of his presidency, Clinton settled with Jones. --My faulty memory was aided by the obviously faulty Wikipedia. So please, Patton, correct us. |
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« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2008, 06:31:52 PM » |
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In answer to the question, "why won't Palin testify," it's blindingly obvious.
She can't testify and tell the truth without incriminating herself. Ordering someone fired without due cause is illegal in most states. I don't know for sure about the law in Alaska, but I imagine it's the same there as elsewhere. At a minimum, it's deeply embarrassing and reveals key flaws in her character--remember, she's already lied about the details, and had to "restate" her position when taped testimony obvously contradicted her version.
She just wants it all to go away, just like George W Bush is hoping all his malfeasance in his administration will just be forgotten once he's gone.
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« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2008, 06:44:13 PM » |
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Your research is better than my memory.
I still think nothing fair or impartial is possible between now and the election simply based on everything that has been attempted thus far to destroy the Governer.
I think the only way a thorough, impartial investigation lacking a partisan hack job would be after the election....but hey....no one listens to me anyway.....
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« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2008, 06:53:47 PM » |
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Your research is better than my memory.
I still think nothing fair or impartial is possible between now and the election simply based on everything that has been attempted thus far to destroy the Governer.
I think the only way a thorough, impartial investigation lacking a partisan hack job would be after the election....but hey....no one listens to me anyway..... So the voters should be happy choosing between politicians, one of whom may be a criminal but we don't get to know until after the election? That's your preferred alternative? I wonder if you'd feel differently if, say, the VP under legal suspicion was Hillary Clinton? But I guess we'll just never know... |
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« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2008, 06:58:42 PM » |
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I guess you didn't read what I said earlier:
If someone is really bent on this firing....and think that as far as all allegations/truths/half truths with regards to all politicians....then I believe they should assume that everything that is alledged is true....and if that is a show-stopper for them, then do not vote for her and McCain....if however...in the grand scheme of things...and believeing all politicians lie, and weighed against others told regarding infanticide....and think this is relatively minor....then it won't really matter then.
Was that not clear?
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« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2008, 07:27:25 PM » |
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What's clear is that if you've enjoyed the lawlessness of the Bush administration and applauded their contempt for justice as they employ every legal trick in the book to run the clock out on the many investigations into their crimes, you'll love McCain/Palin. The McCain campaign said [last night] that Gov. Sarah Palin (R-AK) "won't speak with an investigator hired by lawmakers to look into the firing of her public safety commissioner" in the controversy known as "Troopergate." The campaign declared the investigation to be "tainted," despite the fact that the five-member committee is composed of three Republicans and two Democrats. Palin had previously agreed to cooperate and thus was not subpoenaed.
And just as Palin is breaking her word about cooperating with the investigation, five Republicans in the Alaskan legislature filed a lawsuit today, asking a state judge to end the probe altogether.
On a related note, Palin is also claiming executive privilege to shield her gubernatorial emails from scrutiny from investigators. Asked about her refusal to cooperate today, Palin, according to an AP account, "looked up, smiled -- and then stepped wordlessly into her waiting car."
This is, of course, the same Palin who boasted to a Colorado audience yesterday, "We're going to make everything more open, and more accountable, and more attractive to those who want to serve." There's no word on whether she was able to say the line with a straight face. http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_09/014751.php |
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« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2008, 07:46:09 PM » |
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I thought she was under investigation for this before she was selected as VP?
I could be wrong... but this was one of the first things that came out after McCain picked her.
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« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2008, 08:09:46 PM » |
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I swear, she's so Bush-like, its scary: “E-mails from the Palin administration are being withheld from the public and the governor is citing executive privilege," reported Alaska TV station KTUU last month. "With subject lines like ‘Fagan,’ ‘Andrew Halcro’ and even ‘Alaska Ear,’ it makes some wonder how those topics could possibly be policy related; especially since those same e-mails were copied to the governor's husband...Officials say the private e-mails within the Palin administration won't be released.” http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/how-transparent.html |
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