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« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2008, 08:19:23 PM » |
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I swear, she's so Bush-like, its scary: “E-mails from the Palin administration are being withheld from the public and the governor is citing executive privilege," reported Alaska TV station KTUU last month. "With subject lines like ‘Fagan,’ ‘Andrew Halcro’ and even ‘Alaska Ear,’ it makes some wonder how those topics could possibly be policy related; especially since those same e-mails were copied to the governor's husband...Officials say the private e-mails within the Palin administration won't be released.” http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/how-transparent.html If he was copied that would make them not emails within the administration. Any judge should see that. It is patently dishonest to claim so when they have already broken the boundaries of the admin. |
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« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2008, 08:40:08 PM » |
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I thought she was under investigation for this before she was selected as VP?
I could be wrong... but this was one of the first things that came out after McCain picked her.
The whole sordid tale started on July 13th, when the Anchorage Daily News -- which has been all over Trooper-Gate since the start -- reported that Walt Monegan, the state's respected public safety commissioner, had been fired without a clear explanation. Read the rest of "Troopergate, Everything You Need to Know", here: http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/troopergate_everything_you_need_to_know.php |
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« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2008, 09:18:39 AM » |
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I thought she was under investigation for this before she was selected as VP?
I could be wrong... but this was one of the first things that came out after McCain picked her. The whole sordid tale started on July 13th, when the Anchorage Daily News -- which has been all over Trooper-Gate since the start -- reported that Walt Monegan, the state's respected public safety commissioner, had been fired without a clear explanation. Read the rest of "Troopergate, Everything You Need to Know", here: http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/troopergate_everything_you_need_to_know.phpRight... but her state legislature hired a special investigator back in late July ( LINK) - well before she was selected as VP. I mean, you could argue that it's being more heavily pursued for partisan reasons... but the initial investigation started back in July. That's all I'm saying. |
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« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2008, 04:16:07 PM » |
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Since when is it a crime for a boss to fire his employees? When it violates their rights. US citizens don't have a right to be employed and they certainly don't have a right to not be fired. |
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« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2008, 04:34:07 PM » |
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Maybe she's hiding something.Even her aides refused to give statements when they given subpoenas.
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jpn of Seattle
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« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2008, 05:43:11 PM » |
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Since when is it a crime for a boss to fire his employees? When it violates their rights. US citizens don't have a right to be employed and they certainly don't have a right to not be fired. Do US citizens have a right to know if their elected representatives are following the law or not? The McCain campaign says "Hell NO!" Trooper-Gate: For Now, GOP Mission Accomplished
By Zachary Roth - September 22, 2008, 11:22AM
As the flurry of news breaks over the Trooper-Gate investigation slows, at least for the time being, it's worth making a point that may have gotten lost in the shuffle:
The McCain-Palin camp appears to have been successful in its all-out effort to stifle the probe at any cost.
By preventing Steve Branchflower, the independent investigator in the case, from speaking with many of the key witnesses -- including Sarah and Todd Palin, and several of the governor's top aides -- the McCain campaign has severely limited the amount of information the investigation will have access to.
In the view of the Associated Press: "Although the Legislature's investigator still plans to issue a report in October, the probe is effectively killed until January, when Sarah Palin will either be vice president or return to the governor's mansion in Juneau." http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/troopergate_for_now_gop_missio.phpThey must be very proud. |
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« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2008, 06:07:23 PM » |
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Since when is it a crime for a boss to fire his employees? When it violates their rights. US citizens don't have a right to be employed and they certainly don't have a right to not be fired. Do US citizens have a right to know if their elected representatives are following the law or not? The McCain campaign says "Hell NO!" Trooper-Gate: For Now, GOP Mission Accomplished
By Zachary Roth - September 22, 2008, 11:22AM
As the flurry of news breaks over the Trooper-Gate investigation slows, at least for the time being, it's worth making a point that may have gotten lost in the shuffle:
The McCain-Palin camp appears to have been successful in its all-out effort to stifle the probe at any cost.
By preventing Steve Branchflower, the independent investigator in the case, from speaking with many of the key witnesses -- including Sarah and Todd Palin, and several of the governor's top aides -- the McCain campaign has severely limited the amount of information the investigation will have access to.
In the view of the Associated Press: "Although the Legislature's investigator still plans to issue a report in October, the probe is effectively killed until January, when Sarah Palin will either be vice president or return to the governor's mansion in Juneau." http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/troopergate_for_now_gop_missio.phpThey must be very proud. You guys are pissing up a tree. But hey, don't let us stop you. |
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« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2008, 06:08:21 AM » |
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The investigation into "Troopergate " was initiated end of July last. Clearly it was not motivated by political partisanship trying to derail Sarah Palin as a potential Vice President.
If an ordinary citizen was being investigated for the illegal/unlawful sacking of an employee , do you think that "ordinary citizen" would be allowed to "refuse to co-operate with the investigation". My guess is that he/she would be "refusing to co-operate" from a jail cell
Where exactly does it say in the Constitution that a State Governor or a "candidate" to public office is exempted from co-operating with an investigation.
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« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2008, 06:17:16 AM » |
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The interesting part of McCains moosejaw running mate is that she seems to be under a McCain gag order. Now she isn't talking to any media at all . The McCain camp has figured out that she is great for photo opps. but every time she opens her lieing moosejaw mouth they drop in the polls. According to Nicole Wallace of the McCain campaign, the American people don't care whether Sarah Palin can answer specific questions about foreign and domestic policy. According to Wallace -- in an appearance I did with her this morning on Joe Scarborough's show -- the American people will learn all they need to know (and all they deserve to know) from Palin's scripted speeches and choreographed appearances on the campaign trail and in campaign ads. http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/09/no_questions_please_were.html |
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« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2008, 06:42:04 AM » |
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The interesting part of McCains moosejaw running mate is that she seems to be under a McCain gag order. Now she isn't talking to any media at all . The McCain camp has figured out that she is great for photo opps. but every time she opens her lieing moosejaw mouth they drop in the polls. According to Nicole Wallace of the McCain campaign, the American people don't care whether Sarah Palin can answer specific questions about foreign and domestic policy. According to Wallace -- in an appearance I did with her this morning on Joe Scarborough's show -- the American people will learn all they need to know (and all they deserve to know) from Palin's scripted speeches and choreographed appearances on the campaign trail and in campaign ads. http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/09/no_questions_please_were.htmlYes, two verbal klutzes who can't speak without cliff'ss note to replace another verbal klutz who can't speak without cliff's notes. I know the Republican litmus test on abortion, but I think there is one on stupid too. |
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« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2008, 09:33:50 PM » |
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God, this is hilarious. As an indication of what a joke Sarah Palin has become, this is the actual headline in the Seattle Times, a centrist newspaper that endorsed bush in 2000 and has a jones for eliminating the estate tax (while the report is from the AP, papers write their own headlines):
Palin pre-empts state report, clears self in probe
By MATT APUZZO
Associated Press Writer
ANCHORAGE, Alaska —
Trying to head off a potentially embarrassing state ethics report on GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin, campaign officials released their own report Thursday that clears her of any wrongdoing.
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« Reply #26 on: October 10, 2008, 08:41:38 PM » |
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Ethics anyone?? Palin abused power in trooper case ANCHORAGE, Alaska (CNN) -- Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin abused her power as Alaska's governor and violated state ethics law by trying to get her ex-brother-in-law fired from the state police, a state investigator's report concluded Friday. Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin is under investigation for the firing of her public safety commissioner. "Gov. Palin knowingly permitted a situation to continue where impermissible pressure was placed on several subordinates in order to advance a personal agenda," the report states. Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan's refusal to fire State Trooper Mike Wooten from the state police force was "likely a contributing factor" to Monegan's July dismissal, but Palin had the authority as governor to fire him, the report by former Anchorage prosecutor Stephen Branchflower states. However, it states that her efforts to get Wooten fired broke a state ethics law that bars public officials from pursuing personal interest through official action. Monegan has said he was fired in July after refusing pressure to sack Wooten, who had gone through an acrimonious divorce and custody battle with Palin's sister. http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/10/palin.investigation/index.html |
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« Reply #27 on: October 11, 2008, 07:09:27 PM » |
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The Alaska Legislative Council report said, quote: "For the reasons explained in section IV of this report, I find that Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 2952.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act."Palin today: "If you read the report, you'll see that there's nothing unlawful or unethical about replacing a cabinet member. You've got to read the report, sir." Hmmm. Maybe she needs to read the report. Here's the official Palin response to the Alaska Legislative Council's report: "The report also illustrates what we've known all along: this was a partisan led inquiry run by Obama supporters and the Palins were completely justified in their concern regarding Trooper Wooten given his violent and rogue behavior." Hmmm. Alaskan officials of both parties voted to appoint the special counsel to investigate the scandal; Alaskan officials of both parties agreed publicly that the investigation was warranted; Alaskan officials of both parties approved of subpoenas as part of the probe; and Alaskan officials of both parties resisted efforts to shut down the investigation. The Council consisted of 10 Republicans and 4 Democrats. They voted unanimously to release the report. Does Palin have an ounce of respect for democracy, for the political process? Should we feel comfortable with Palin's understanding of and respect for the rule of law? Meanwhile, here's a part of the report not getting much attention: The result is not a mortal wound to Palin....But the Branchflower report still makes for good reading, if only because it convincingly answers a question nobody had even thought to ask: Is the Palin administration shockingly amateurish? Yes, it is. Disturbingly so.
The 263 pages of the report show a co-ordinated application of pressure on Monegan so transparent and ham-handed that it was almost certain to end in public embarrassment for the governor.
....Monegan and his peers constantly warned these Palin disciples that the contact was inappropriate and probably unlawful. Still, the emails and calls continued — in at least one instance on recorded state trooper phone lines.
The state's head of personnel, Annette Kreitzer, called Monegan and had to be warned that personnel issues were confidential. The state's attorney general, Talis Colberg, called Monegan and had to be reminded that the call was putting both men in legal jeopardy, should Wooten decide to sue. The governor's chief of staff met with Monegan and had to be reminded by Monegan that, "This conversation is discoverable ... You don't want Wooten to own your house, do you?"
Monegan pointed out to a steady stream of people that (a) Wooten was protected by civil service and there was nothing more that could be done since he'd already gone through a formal disciplinary procedure, and (b) any conversation about Wooten was discoverable in court if Wooten ever got tired of being hounded and decided to file a civil suit. And yet the contacts kept coming and coming and coming — and coming and coming. And Branchflower documents them in painful detail. It's all quite remarkable. http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2008/10/troopergate_finale.htmlThe McCain/Palin ticket. Quite remarkable... |
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