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« on: September 27, 2007, 05:39:34 PM » |
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I have nothing insightful to add to this outrage, other than frustration and disgust. International pressure on Myanmar built when President Bush asked countries in the region with influence on Myanmar’s authorities to urge them to cease using force, and the Treasury Department imposed economic sanctions on 14 identified senior Myanmar government officials. I'm thankful that Bush is doing something, but I wish he'd do more. |
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« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2007, 12:34:35 AM » |
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I understand your frustration jpn, but what "more" exactly would you like him to do?
I am assuming you would not favor another invasion?
We already have frozen their assets and have in place about as much in the way of economic sanctions as we can impose unilateraly (done long before these latest incidents), so what exactly is left?
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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2007, 09:43:25 AM » |
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Why isn't the UN stepping in? I could turn this into another UN hate thread. But the reality is, it's their function to stop this sort of thing.
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« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2007, 07:37:01 PM » |
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Generally the UN will not get involved in strictly internal matters. At least that's their excuse, which gets pretty darned tired.
Also, China is on the Security Council and they have a close relationship with the dictators in Myanmar. Myanmar has large natural gas reserves and the Chinese are trying to secure an oil pipeline through them to the Indian Ocean. That way they will no longer be dependent on tankers transiting the Malacan Straights, which are easily blocked in time of war.
I'm sure China can block any moves by the U.N. against Myanmar.
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« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2007, 02:13:26 AM » |
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Generally the UN will not get involved in strictly internal matters. At least that's their excuse, which gets pretty darned tired.
Also, China is on the Security Council and they have a close relationship with the dictators in Myanmar. Myanmar has large natural gas reserves and the Chinese are trying to secure an oil pipeline through them to the Indian Ocean. That way they will no longer be dependent on tankers transiting the Malacan Straights, which are easily blocked in time of war.
I'm sure China can block any moves by the U.N. against Myanmar.
It's very useful to have a sheriff in town with his arms chained to his back with 7 padlocks whose 7 different keys are hold by 7 disgruntled fellas who barely can agree on anything; and whenever he is set free to act then the sheriff must ask the citizens to borrow him a gun... And it all is sheriff's fault, of course.  |
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« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2007, 11:49:16 AM » |
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Communication has been cut to the country, so it's hard to get words on what's going on. Now, as Time writes: But while the junta can control the street, the monasteries and even the web, they can't control the sky. On Friday the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS), working with Burmese groups, released a new analysis of high-resolution satellite images that pinpointed evidence of human rights violations in the eastern Burma. For the first time in Burma, scientists were able to use orbital satellites to confirm on-the-ground reports of burned villages and forced relocations of civilians by the military. The technique has already been used to document human rights abuses in Zimbabwe and Darfur, but in Burma, a closed country that often seems like a modern-day version of Orwell's 1984, it's almost like turning Big Brother against itself. "We are sending a message to the military junta that we are watching from the sky," said Aung Din, policy director for the U.S. Campaign for Burma.  It may be hard to get good photo's and info from inside the country, but we can easily spot burning villages from our satellites. We don't have to be let in somewhere to see what's going on there. We now have the ability to watch anything that happens under open sky. The situation is bad there. I'm not referring to just lately either. I had a friend who went their to teach English for a year on contract. He got harassed by the military quite a few times just for being American, and in Myanmar. They took him and interrogated him because they thought he was a spy. Soldiers on the streets with assault rifles were not an uncommon site. Now the soldiers are firing on the civilians. |
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« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2007, 08:26:04 PM » |
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My heart goes out to the Monks...
May they set the Burmese free.
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« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2007, 10:36:19 AM » |
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From Science DailySatellite Images Corroborate Eyewitness Accounts Of Human Rights Abuses In BurmaScience Daily — A new analysis of high-resolution satellite images -- completed by the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) -- pinpoints evidence consistent with village destruction, forced relocations, and a growing military presence at 25 sites across eastern Burma where eye-witnesses have reported human rights violations. The research by AAAS, offers clear physical evidence to corroborate on-the-ground accounts of specific instances of destruction. It is believed to be the first demonstration of satellite image analysis to document human rights violations in Burma, also known as Myanmar.  A before image (top) depicts a small settlement in Burma on May 5, 2004, and again on Feb. 23, 2007, with all structures removed. The images correspond with information provided by the Free Burma Rangers regarding December 2006 attacks at and near the Burmese village of Kwey Kee. (Lat: 18.79 N Long: 96.76 E.) (Credit: Top Image: Copyright GeoEye, Inc (Nasdaq:GEOY). Bottom Image: Copyright 2007 Digital Globe.)--------------------------------------------------------------- I find this especially interesting because I have a little background in aerial photography. I like to see it being put to use in the struggle against oppression. Documentation is an important part of combating human rights abuse. |
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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2007, 09:05:25 AM » |
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It seems that the instability of Myanmar is due to a faulty government, and in my opinion should have the words: “FAILED STATE” written across the boarders. It seems like they have nothing to lose, because of the oppression of their people, and nothing to gain due to the fact that their money is worth less than toilet paper. I’d say let the international community step in and attempt to help and hope for the best. And supposedly aren’t the strongest weapons you have when practicing civil disobedience: peace and the media? The trouble is nobody knows of their struggles; half of America doesn’t even know where Myanmar is, let alone give a damn. Their screwed .. we’re screwed.. it all sucks. However, you have to admire their spirit and courage.  |
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« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2007, 01:11:23 PM » |
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We have no more business in Myanmar than we do in Iraq, Iran or anywhere else. Our Motherland, our nation is or at least should be our only concern.
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