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« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2008, 11:33:22 AM » |
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why should we worry about that?
Seriously why is it the GOVERNMENTS responsibility to give housing to people?
Why the f.. is welfare considred INCOME when you buy a house...
if you are poor you should not buy a house.. this is plain and simple... YOU CANT AFFORD IT!!!
Its not blaming the poor its blaming the government and the banks for making the loans...
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« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2008, 11:47:44 AM » |
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why should we worry about that?
Seriously why is it the GOVERNMENTS responsibility to give housing to people?
Why the f.. is welfare considred INCOME when you buy a house...
if you are poor you should not buy a house.. this is plain and simple... YOU CANT AFFORD IT!!!
Its not blaming the poor its blaming the government and the banks for making the loans...
Because the government is supposed to be based upon a democracy. Where peoples votes exert the force to get certain things done. If well-off's surrounding housing projects have declining retail values because of them, they are going to exert their political pressure. It will either be a) kick the poor out of the area by raising taxes or b) get the federal government to do something about it. a) has some terrible backlash. I mean, we are trying to have some empathy towards these people aren't we? Either way, politicians will do whatever gets them those votes.
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« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2008, 01:59:51 PM » |
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Democrats buy votes of the "poor" by keeping them poor, but make believe they are on their side.
THESE LOANS SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN MADE.....
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« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2008, 07:13:49 PM » |
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That's the way Reaganite!! You racist piece of shit. Blame the economy on blacks.
The article does not blame ANYTHING on blacks and YOU are the racist for thinking that when people say unqualified buyers and or poor it means black people. WHERE does that say black? You racist piece of shit.... so... maybe affirmative action in banking is bad? does not take a rocket scientist to figure out who you are talking about when you say affirmative action. by making it seem like she (and you) are not directly talking about blacks in general, you call them poor and unqualified instead. Ever heard of hidden racism? Anyone reading this article knows exactly what they are talking about. Next you are going to tell us Airlines and banks failed because "poor" people purchased tickets using credit cards and didn't make their payments. You want to blame the poor? Then here is a for you. "In the past, we were taught to see others who are different as being deficient. We established arbitrary norms and then determined that anybody not like us was abnormal. But a change is coming because we no longer see others who are different as being deficient. We just see them as different. Over the past 50 years, thanks to the scholarship of dozens of expert in many different disciplines, we have come to see just how skewed, prejudiced and dangerous our miseducation has been." -Rev. Jeremiah Wright Leaders, prodimantly white, have ruined this country and miseducated us and this world for years. Maybe it is time for a minority to clean up their mess.
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« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2008, 07:23:39 PM » |
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mach gets +1 for calling reaganite on his BS
You want to be an ignorant bigot, just be an ignorant bigot and stop trying to hide behind conservative ideology. Grow a pair already. It's a free country and this is an anonymous venue.
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« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2008, 10:51:52 PM » |
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I'm interested to find out why anyone thinks this is a racist post at all. It is a matter of numbers, not colors. Nobody is trying to pin this on all the black people. That is a ridiculous statement. In fact, many people were interested in finding a way to help prevent any more forclosures from happening (no matter what color the owners happen to be). What about the latin people? What about poor white people? Are black people the only ones that are poor in this country? Was affirmative action in banking only for black people? The fact still remains that loans were given out to people who could not make the payments when the economy changed. Even if it turns out that the majority of people losing their homes are black, how does that in any way change the numbers? And how does that make it a racist statement? I'm not trying to be antagonistic here, I really am curious. I get that many of you are irratated with Reaganite but all he did was post some information that could be another piece of the puzzle in how we got where we are today. Some people may not agree with it but I didn't read anything that led me to the conclusion that anybody places blame on black people.
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« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2008, 12:10:49 AM » |
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I'm interested to find out why anyone thinks this is a racist post at all. It is a matter of numbers, not colors. Nobody is trying to pin this on all the black people. That is a ridiculous statement. In fact, many people were interested in finding a way to help prevent any more forclosures from happening (no matter what color the owners happen to be). What about the latin people? What about poor white people? Are black people the only ones that are poor in this country? Was affirmative action in banking only for black people? The fact still remains that loans were given out to people who could not make the payments when the economy changed. Even if it turns out that the majority of people losing their homes are black, how does that in any way change the numbers? And how does that make it a racist statement? I'm not trying to be antagonistic here, I really am curious. I get that many of you are irratated with Reaganite but all he did was post some information that could be another piece of the puzzle in how we got where we are today. Some people may not agree with it but I didn't read anything that led me to the conclusion that anybody places blame on black people.
then maybe you need to familiarize yourself with Ann Coultore and her work. In the eyes of a racist there is no latino/black/asian/arab...you are either black (non-white) or white. The minorities that affirmative action protects are those of non-whites. So when she says minorities she means non-whites. I have no time to debate whether or not her article attacks minorities and blame them for the current economic downfall, but I know a duck when I see a duck.
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« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2008, 05:47:24 AM » |
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mach gets +1 for calling reaganite on his BS Indeed You want to be an ignorant bigot, just be an ignorant bigot and stop trying to hide behind conservative ideology. Grow a pair already. It's a free country and this is an anonymous venue.
Exactly. Although if you don't hide behind euphemisms like he does he will get banned. The owner has no sense of humor when stuff like that is concerned.
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« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2008, 06:13:00 AM » |
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mach gets +1 for calling reaganite on his BS Indeed You want to be an ignorant bigot, just be an ignorant bigot and stop trying to hide behind conservative ideology. Grow a pair already. It's a free country and this is an anonymous venue.
Exactly. Although if you don't hide behind euphemisms like he does he will get banned. The owner has no sense of humor when stuff like that is concerned. Good point. I'm just tired of getting labeled a racist when I voice opposition to race quota based affirmative action, hate crimes legislation, or point out the obvious disconnect with justice in the rhetoric of some "black leaders". IMO, to a great degree I have bigots that hide behind these issues to thank for this. Having said that, there is truth to the idea that government pushing the banking industry to lend money in risky situations has played a role in our current situation. Personally, I'm not really a big fan of the government encouraging home ownership in the first place. It does stimulate the economy (with mixed results as we're now seeing), but it also encourages urban sprawl and discourages high-medium density mixed use development. I'd rather see policy that seeks to give renters some of the same benefit as home owners. We have the suburbs to thank for our extreme auto dependency, increasing loss of farmland, and a host of other problems.
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« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2008, 07:07:31 AM » |
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Good point.
I'm just tired of getting labeled a racist when I voice opposition to race quota based affirmative action, hate crimes legislation, or point out the obvious disconnect with justice in the rhetoric of some "black leaders". IMO, to a great degree I have bigots that hide behind these issues to thank for this.
Having said that, there is truth to the idea that government pushing the banking industry to lend money in risky situations has played a role in our current situation. Personally, I'm not really a big fan of the government encouraging home ownership in the first place. It does stimulate the economy (with mixed results as we're now seeing), but it also encourages urban sprawl and discourages high-medium density mixed use development. I'd rather see policy that seeks to give renters some of the same benefit as home owners.
We have the suburbs to thank for our extreme auto dependency, increasing loss of farmland, and a host of other problems.
You do make some good points. All of which I agree with. As to being called a racist. I've posted this before but it's been a while. I worked with the most racist piece of shit I had ever known. He was far worse than Pathetic is. One day I had enough of his crap and told him I had enough of his blatant racism. He was honestly surprised. He said, 'I can't be racist! I'm black!'. And believed it. I found a new job before I killed him.
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« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2008, 10:27:38 AM » |
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You do make some good points. All of which I agree with.
As to being called a racist. I've posted this before but it's been a while. I worked with the most racist piece of shit I had ever known. He was far worse than Pathetic is. One day I had enough of his crap and told him I had enough of his blatant racism. He was honestly surprised. He said, 'I can't be racist! I'm black!'. And believed it. I found a new job before I killed him. You mean you found a new job before you had to kill him... right? 
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« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2008, 10:46:26 AM » |
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Yeah, let's go with that.
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« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2008, 12:53:36 PM » |
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LOLOLOLLOLOLOL...
I cam called a racist for saying POOR PROPLR should not have been given 200,000 loans to buy houses... The bigots on this thread that automatically ASSUME when someone says poor they are talking about blacksare the real racists in this country.
I AM AS BLACK AS OBAMA YOU MORONIC ASSHOLES lololol
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« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2008, 11:13:24 PM » |
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LOLOLOLLOLOLOL...
I cam called a racist for saying POOR PROPLR should not have been given 200,000 loans to buy houses... The bigots on this thread that automatically ASSUME when someone says poor they are talking about blacksare the real racists in this country.
I AM AS BLACK AS OBAMA YOU MORONIC ASSHOLES lololol
Ok explain this, if the poor trying to chase a dream of owing an house are to blame, then is the government buying out these companies? Its crooked politics. My buddies business is going under, lets give them $85 billion so that he can keep his $1 Billion pension plan and salary. This "bailout" is more of a choreoghraphy than the 2003 Iraq War was to scare voters. I wouldn't even under estimate ol' Bush telling soul searching Putin to put on another cold war scare to help him out. I fought hard for troops to help in Iraq. They betraded me and are making me look like an ass by saying a troop withdrawal is coming, when at first they said it would be a disaster. I am only a Republican because I believe in a strong military, that is the only thing I have in common with the current asshole Party right now. They are idiots, liars, and rich scumbags that are truely out of touch with today's society.
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