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« on: October 02, 2008, 06:38:26 PM » |
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Seriously ...
Wow...
I know you others wont admit it but damn.... seriously... she killed him.
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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2008, 06:47:18 PM » |
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lol. HAHAHAA...Oh Reaganite -- you'll say just about anything at all won't you? That's not even remotely convincing....but nice try. She was an utter and complete embarrassment and you know it. You just couldn't wait to get here to pre-empt the obvious.
He kicked her around so damn hard I felt sorry for her. It was everything she could do to constantly string together a hundred catch phrases that weren't related to the questions, or even to each other.
She didn't gaffe, worse than that. She didn't debate poorly, worse still than that. She straight up Babbled incoherently for the entire debate for any fool to plainly see.
lol. You're good for a laugh though Reagan. Hoo. Ahk
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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2008, 06:53:13 PM » |
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Only if you we're too busy stroking cows in Kansas could Palin of ate Biden alive.
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Alright Clanton, you called down the thunder well now you got it! The cowboys are finished, you understand me? I see a red sash I kill a man wearing it. So run you Kurr. You tell em Im coming and hells coming with me you hear. Hells coming with me!
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« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2008, 06:54:21 PM » |
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Are you serious?
She did very well, and I think much better then what people were expecting, but she DIDN'T "eat him alive". Not by a long shot. Unless you wanna actually prove it... but I seriously doubt you could. Proving what you say isn't really your thing.
I think she really suffered in the Foreign Relations arguments cause she didn't make NEAR as good a point as Biden did on Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan. She also let A LOT of what Biden said pass without comment, showing that what Biden said was true... or she didn't have enough knowledge to argue. Either way, it reflects poorly on her.
What she did excel at is Domestic Issues where she better connected with main stream America, something "senate speak" doesn't accomplish.
If anything, it was a tie... and I would even go so far as to say Biden squeaked out a win. She beat expectations... but she didn't win.
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« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2008, 07:01:53 PM » |
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All that hockey mom cheese works great in Alaska, but Ohio where people are reeling?
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« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2008, 07:02:12 PM » |
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Keep it up, Reaganite, and I'll begin a thread entitled "The Imaginary World of Reaganite."
Palin wasn't have a drooling idiot moment unlike her interviews with Couric, so the right-wingers will be estatic. She has her Barbie Doll routine down, ignoring questions in order to repeat her memorized talking points. But really. Can you really imagine her leading in the White House Situation Room during a crisis, making insightful decisions and giving informed, positive orders? Me neither.
Joe Biden did great. Articulate, experienced, nuanced. The best moment was the question regarding the powers of the Vice Presidency. Palin clearly didn't understand the issue, while Biden spoke with passion and insight into the issue.
The biggest difference? Substance. Biden has it.
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« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2008, 07:09:10 PM » |
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IAP's court jester at it again. Put down the crack pipe Pathetic. You are really living up to your old name. She did a fair amount of stumbling on her own words, but didn't really do too bad. Stuck to her briefing, didn't break ANY new ground, repeated all McCain's catch phrases at least once. Biden looked more polished, had better responses.
She didn't do so bad all in all. But they needed a breakout performance to have any hope of pulling their bacon out of the fire. And they didn't get it.
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Who will watch the watchers?Now that it is over, what are we going to talk about?
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« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2008, 07:11:47 PM » |
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Palin didn't eat Biden alive and definately didn't do well at all regaurding foreign policy. Biden continually made more points and better points and Palin just repeated herself time and time again and had no arguments for foreign policy. I also liked how Biden destroying the Maverick image and I think that alone definately gives Biden the edge. With the economy it was about neutral, and the ending Biden simply presented Obama better than Palin did with McCain. All Palin could say is dems will raise taxes and that's really all she had.
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Alright Clanton, you called down the thunder well now you got it! The cowboys are finished, you understand me? I see a red sash I kill a man wearing it. So run you Kurr. You tell em Im coming and hells coming with me you hear. Hells coming with me!
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« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2008, 07:27:38 PM » |
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She channeled Abraham Lincoln while discussing Afghanistan, mistaking Gen McClellan for Gen. David McKiernan. As for bringing the lessons from Iraq (employ "The Surge") to Afghanistan, here's what Biden was referring to: ------------------------------------- General: Iraq-style surge won't work in AfghanistanBy Ann Scott Tyson THE WASHINGTON POST October 2, 2008 WASHINGTON – The new top U.S. commander in Afghanistan said yesterday that more U.S. troops are urgently required to combat a worsening insurgency, but he stated emphatically that no Iraq-style “surge” of forces will end the conflict there. Advertisement“Afghanistan is not Iraq,” said Gen. David McKiernan, who led ground forces during the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003 and took over four months ago as head of the NATO-led coalition in Afghanistan. During a news conference yesterday, McKiernan described Afghanistan as “a far more complex environment than I ever found in Iraq.” The country's mountainous terrain and rural population, its poverty and illiteracy, its 400 major tribal networks and history of civil war all make for unique challenges, he said. “The word I don't use for Afghanistan is 'surge,' ” McKiernan emphasized, saying that what is required instead is a “sustained commitment” to a counterinsurgency effort that could last many more years and would ultimately require a political, not military, solution. http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20081002/news_1n2afghan.html
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« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2008, 07:29:45 PM » |
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If it's any surprise, Guiliani is calling it a "knockout" performance... 
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« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2008, 07:33:55 PM » |
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No, no surprise. Here's some snap poll results from less biased sources: Early Snap Polls: Biden Won HandilyBy Greg Sargent - October 2, 2008, 11:14PM The first round of snap polls give the debate to Joe Biden, by sizable margins. CBS polled 473 uncommitted debate watchers, and found that 46% say Biden won, 21% say Palin won, and 33% say it was a tie. While both candidates saw their images improve, 98% saw Biden as "knowledgeable" after the debate, while only 66% saw Palin as knowledgeable, an admittedly high number, given what folks thought of her before tonight. Meanwhile, CNN found that far more thought Biden did the best job in the debate (51%) than Palin did (36%). And here's a really key number from CNN. While a startling 84% said Palin did better than expected, it still wasn't enough for her to clear her basic hurdle tonight: Only 46% said she's qualified to serve as president, up only four points from before the debate. And a clear majority, 53%, say she is not qualified. http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/early_snap_polls_biden_won_han.php
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« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2008, 07:37:44 PM » |
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I know you others wont admit it but damn.... seriously... she killed him.
She is a dumb person. So other dumb people really like her. Like you, very stupid people easily fall in love with other people in positions of power who are also very stupid because it makes them fell better about being really stupid themselves. When you are a really dumb person, you like to see someone running to be the Vice-President of the United States of America saying they would like to give a "Shout Out" during a nationally televised presidential debate. You like to hear really dumb prefabricated catch phrases like "waving the white flag of surrender". That kind of thing really resonates with complete and total morons. And because Sarah Palin's supporters are complete and total morons, they don't expect her to have a command of the facts, or know anything at all about foreign policy, or have any clue about what created the current economic crisis or how to solve it. When you are a dumb person, you only want to hear and need to hear 2 or 3 extremely short and oversimplified answers to the problems of this nation: 1. Cut taxes. 2. Drill baby Drill. 2. No waving the white flag and cutting-and-running in Iraq. That's all their little pea-brains can handle. So of course Palin, being extremely stupid, is those people's hero. It's the "Hey, she's dumb like me! That's my kind of politician". The rest of us, of course, see this incoherent babbling idiot up there completely talking out of her ass. She's asked about the trigger for the U.S. to go to nuclear war and her answer is "We need more offshore drilling". She's asked to name her single greatest weakness she outlines several of her greatest strengths. She's asked to outline the policy differences between John McCain and George Bush and she responds by saying "We need more offshore drilling". She's asked about how to solve the current economic crisis and she says "We need more offshore drilling". She's asked to specifically outline how she is going to us out of Iraq and she says "by not waving the white flag of surrender". Those are astoundingly stupid answers so naturally dumb people love that kind of shit. It's right up their intellectual alley.
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« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2008, 07:41:01 PM » |
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All that hockey mom cheese works great in Alaska, but Ohio where people are reeling?
dude have you been to Ohio? or any where else in the midwest? I don't think she babbled incoherently at all, and I'm a bit surprised you think so. She may not have been as pointed or as fluent as Biden (who I like much better of the two) but she certainly didn't sound poor. I'm a little taken on how hackish your posts have been concerning the election...I never took you for a partisan loyalist.
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« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2008, 07:43:09 PM » |
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BTW, VP debates don't carry much weight in an election....you guys remember that Kemp Gore debate?
yeah, either do I
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« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2008, 07:50:09 PM » |
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On the substance, it wasn't even close. Palin repeated nonsense and airhead talking points, no matter what the question was. Biden, in sharp contrast, gave substantive answers which more than complimented his years of experience, especially in foreign affairs.
I noticed that no matter how bad the Couric interviews were to watch, reading the actual transcripts were even more frightening. I have no doubt that reading the transcript of this debate will be very similar. How often did Palin just ignore the question in order to spout her memorized talking points?
In short: Palin read from a script, Biden spoke from experience. It was obvious.
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