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With America's current financial problems and the two major wars they have been involved in is this the beginning of the end? Or at least as the worlds superpower?
Personally, i don't think it is. As long as certain decisive policies are implemented in the next few years I think American can recover. But i do have my doubts.
Handing over the reigns of power to China and possibly Russia as the worlds superpower is tragic in my opinion.
This is post is not intended to be a university style essay on why America is dieing .. rather just a heading and few topic questions. My aim is to see what American's see there country in the next five , ten or fifty years.
I should point out that I'm not American.
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« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2008, 08:01:51 AM » |
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Empires don't commit suicide, imo. Their allies and vassels lose confidence while their leaders suffer from over confidence.
With that in mind the current loss in confidence in the US 'empire' market looks even more ominous. I believe it will turn out ok though mostly because people want to have confidence in the US market, (I think very few want the status quo to be fundementally changed), thusly they will be willing to gamble.
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« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2008, 08:09:37 AM » |
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I think a lot is going to change - or rather, a lot HAS to change if we want to avoid an even worse problem.
Do I think it will lead to the end of the US? No. We're in a deep rut and it's going to hurt and we have to tread carefully, but I think, at some point, we'll get through this.
The world will change and the US's influence is waining, but Russia will not fill the void. If our economy looks bad, their's is even worse. It dropped 18% yesterday and has closed several times the last few weeks... so they're in no position to pick up our slack.
China too is suffering an economic crisis of sorts, as well. They just have the benefit of no over-reaching and expensive foreign policy. We're spread too thin and Russia is too... but China has the benefit of concentration. But they've bought a lot of our debt, which in the end COULD hurt them... but we won't know until more time passes.
Basically, I think it's going to be rough... but we're not going anywhere.
P.S. Where are you from JFree89? Just curious.
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« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2008, 08:37:53 AM » |
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I do see your point Abraxas, with the current globalised market, The China and Russian people stand to lose a decrease in their standard of living for some time. But, given their style of Regime ( authoritative) they would be able to cope efficiently with direct and decisive action, without the stag mented procedures of democracy. Unlike the western world. China politically would be untouched ( because they have no one to compete with in terms of elections) If American does fall, the worlds markets would decline and many countries would go into depression, but some would survive. China and Russia would be able to recover and assume control without the threat of American power or veto. I'm from Melbourne, Australia. A cute little island below Southeast Asia, and yes we do love our queen, unlike you rebellious Americans who had to leave the family.  |
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« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2008, 08:58:06 AM » |
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I do see your point Abraxas, with the current globalised market, The China and Russian people stand to lose a decrease in their standard of living for some time. But, given their style of Regime ( authoritative) they would be able to cope efficiently with direct and decisive action, without the stag mented procedures of democracy. Unlike the western world. China politically would be untouched ( because they have no one to compete with in terms of elections) All very true. If American does fall, the worlds markets would decline and many countries would go into depression, but some would survive. China and Russia would be able to recover and assume control without the threat of American power or veto. Right. It's gonna be rough, scary and a lot will change at the end. The US may finally understand it can't overextend itself... I hope. I'm from Melbourne, Australia. A cute little island below Southeast Asia, and yes we do love our queen, unlike you rebellious Americans who had to leave the family. Ugh! Damn relatives!  Jeri, another member of IAP, is from Australia. I don't know if he's anywhere near you, but I thought I'd mention. |
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« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2008, 09:11:01 AM » |
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Judging by he's masculine tanned legs from his forum picture, I would say hes from further north. ( not that i stare at them  ) |
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« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2008, 09:27:07 AM » |
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Most empires rot from the inside out.....once it gets out far enough....it collapses.
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« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2008, 10:52:01 AM » |
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With America's current financial problems and the two major wars they have been involved in is this the beginning of the end? Or at least as the worlds superpower?
Personally, i don't think it is. As long as certain decisive policies are implemented in the next few years I think American can recover. But i do have my doubts.
Handing over the reigns of power to China and possibly Russia as the worlds superpower is tragic in my opinion.
This is post is not intended to be a university style essay on why America is dieing .. rather just a heading and few topic questions. My aim is to see what American's see there country in the next five , ten or fifty years.
I should point out that I'm not American.
We are losing but they are gaining at the same time. The United States won't disappear as a global power, just be reduced to only one of them. The others being Russia and China. Europe's power will remain economic and is leading the way in redefining "Global Power" as representing economic rather that military power. But as long as we need armies, it's Russia and China and the US. |
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« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2008, 10:56:33 AM » |
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Most empires rot from the inside out.....once it gets out far enough....it collapses.
I'll bet you think that "party" gif is insulting. It isn't. I love it. After this 8 year nightmare, i think we could all use a party while we run your creepy-ass Darth-Cheney Republicans out of town on a rail. |
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« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2008, 11:05:48 AM » |
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Most empires rot from the inside out.....once it gets out far enough....it collapses.
You're right. For example look at the Roman Empire, it fell apart inside out |
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« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2008, 12:22:13 PM » |
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This is my prediction for what its worth.
This bail out won't make a dent in the colapse of our credit based economy.
The depression we are heading into will be global. The US will fair no better or worse than other countries. All countries in the world are financially linked and our economies will fall together. Credit will cease to be a commodity to trade in, at least for a decade or so.
I used to be optimistic, but what I have read and heard in the last two weeks has changed my mind.
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« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2008, 12:41:18 PM » |
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the previous post by freethinker pretty much sums up my thoughts too...A few countries will fare a little worse than the US
-GCC states especially the KSA
-Eastern Europe
-Ireland
-Luxembourg
-Hong Kong
A few will fare better
-Venezuela
-South Africa
-South Korea
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« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2008, 12:21:29 PM » |
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No.
Al empires rot from within so that they become easy prey to the barbarian outside.
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« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2008, 03:39:18 PM » |
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A few will fare better
-Venezuela
-South Africa
-South Korea Pretty much any oil producing country should do pretty well as 2nd world countries begin to develop their infustructure... |
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« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2008, 05:17:52 PM » |
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A few will fare better
-Venezuela
-South Africa
-South Korea Pretty much any oil producing country should do pretty well as 2nd world countries begin to develop their infustructure... Some of the OPEC nations are going to be the worst hit...I think most oil countries are going to be hit hardest...IMHO |
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