Who Does McCain "Associate With"?

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Who Does McCain "Associate With"?

« on: October 09, 2008, 06:31:55 PM »

The McCain campaign has no policies to offer the public. Its numbers are plummeting. The economic crisis highlights the fact that McCain has no expertise or even interest in economics. He promises to be every bit as incompetent as Bush.

So. What to do? Slime your opponent. Trouble is, there isn't much to work with. So McCain has to create something out of next to nothing. So out of next to nothing comes the supposed Obama-Bill Ayres "connection." What does this "connection" amount to?

Embarrassingly little:

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Whatever his past, Ayers is now a respected member of the Chicago intelligentsia, and still a member of the Woods Fund Board. The president of the Woods Fund, Deborah Harrington, said he had been selected for the board because of his solid academic credentials and "passion for social justice."

"This whole connection is a stretch," Harrington told me. "Barack was very well known in Chicago, and a highly respected legislator. It would be difficult to find people round here who never volunteered or contributed money to one of his campaigns."

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_weatherman_connection.html
By the way, the Woods Fund of Chicago is a grantmaking foundation whose goal is to increase opportunities for less-advantaged people and communities in the metropolitan area, including the opportunity to shape decisions affecting them.
http://www.woodsfund.org/
Yeah, not many Republicans aroung there...

So, in order to meet McCain's "smell test" all Obama needs to do is basically be in the same zip code with someone who committed a crime when Obama was about 8 years old but has served his time and now works for the betterment of the local community.
Okay, now we know what the standard is.
Applying the same standards to McCain, what might we smell?

Oh, the stench!

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In August 1993, McCain traveled to the Pacific Northwest where he earned the illustrious distinction of becoming the first major politician to address the ultra-far-right Oregon Citizens Alliance.
His speech was preceded by some kind words for an anti-abortion activist accused of shooting a doctor.
"McCain quickly got a first-hand flavor for the OCA. Marylin Shannon, the vice chairwoman of the Oregon GOP, had a spot on the program to give an opening prayer. In short order, she praised the Grants Pass woman accused of shooting an abortion doctor in Wichita and thanked the Lord 'for Lon Mabon and the vision you put in his heart.''"
Shannon traveled to the Republican convention as a McCain delegate, and she proclaimed herself a huge fan of Palin as McCain's VP pick.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/McCain_connections_coming_back_to_haunt_1007.html

Oh, the OCA is also a verulently anti-gay group. Nice people McCain "associates" with, huh?

Then there's this from the AP:

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GOP presidential nominee John McCain has past connections to a private group that supplied aid to guerrillas seeking to overthrow the leftist government of Nicaragua in the Iran-Contra affair.

McCain's ties are facing renewed scrutiny after his campaign criticized Barack Obama for his link to a former radical who engaged in violent acts 40 years ago.

The U.S. Council for World Freedom was part of an international organization linked to former Nazi collaborators and ultra-right-wing death squads in Central America.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081007/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_iran_contra;_ylt=Asett2iFGI7XNbY2V.KkYrus0NUE

As if all this isn't enough, there is also McCain's questionable association with...his running mate. I mean, Palin is married to a treasonous terrorist!

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Her husband is a past member of the Alaska Independence Party, and she has addressed the group on several occasions. The party's goal is Alaska's secession from the United States and its founder [Joe Vogler] has said "the fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government."

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Olbermann_Palin_pallin_around_with_terrorists_1007.html

As MSNBC's Keith Olbermann so pithely asked of the virtuous and "patriotic" Sarah Palin:
"So where does Joe Vogler rank on the scale of terrorists who would target their own country, gov? Your opponent's guy, Ayers, wound up on a volunteer anti-poverty committee in Chicago."

Know what? I'm WAY more comfortable with Obama's associations than McCain's.


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Re: Who Does McCain "Associate With"?

« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2008, 10:01:45 PM »

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The McCain campaign has no policies to offer the public. Its numbers are plummeting.

None at all ? come on.

Fox news report on Ayres - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJrNQBUVMvo

Obama explaining his relationship with Ayres in the democrat debate - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEajOYOE5Yw&feature=related

On the surface this doesn't sound good for Obama and many voters will just view this from the surface. But once explained, it seems more of a case of coincidence then any real connection.

This is what McCain thinks of the Obama - Ayres connection - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH4DXjxPb2k&NR=1


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Re: Who Does McCain "Associate With"?

« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2008, 04:36:59 AM »

I've made a habit of watching FOXNews now, and it makes me laugh how many times they mention Bill Ayers or Acorn.

I mean, "Fox & Friends" leads me to drink... AT 7AM!!!!!!

What I find hysterical is you can't escape the fact that McCain is as close to Charles Keating and Rick Davis as Obama is to Bill Ayers. You can argue McCain is even closer... but you simply don't have to.

The fact that McCain has even associated with people like Davis and Keating - both of which are economic scammers - shows poor economic judgement in one of the worst crisis of the US economy.

And we're getting hung up over the fact that Obama and Ayers live in the same neighborhood (by the way, *I* don't know my neighbors) and that they were on an education panel?

GIVE ME A BREAK!

We deserve better. We truely and honestly do!


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Re: Who Does McCain "Associate With"?

« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2008, 04:41:30 AM »

I think ACORN is a million times more egregious. Their voter fraud efforts have gone ignored on this forum and largely in the press.


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Re: Who Does McCain "Associate With"?

« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2008, 08:32:48 AM »

Quote from: neue regel on October 10, 2008, 04:41:30 AM

I think ACORN is a million times more egregious. Their voter fraud efforts have gone ignored on this forum and largely in the press.

HArd to play the proportion game with something like this. But a million times? Worse than corruption among Senators? Costing the governemtn 3 billion? Really? I guess I would like to see ALL responsible parties held responsible. Not letting an elitist like McCain off the hook.


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Re: Who Does McCain "Associate With"?

« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2008, 04:19:38 PM »

Quote from: neue regel on October 10, 2008, 04:41:30 AM

I think ACORN is a million times more egregious. Their voter fraud efforts have gone ignored on this forum and largely in the press.

I wonder how ACORN compares to the routine attempts by the GOP to prevent legitimate voters from voting? How closely does Fox "News" cover those efforts?

Republicans laughably contend that they are merely trying to prevent "fraud," but it's pretty obvious that their efforts affect one segment of the population over others--to the detriment of the Democratic candidates.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/12/us/politics/12vote.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
http://articles.latimes.com/2007/sep/28/news/oe-tokaji28

By the way, I'm betting that the right-wing fixation on ACORN is the first step in convincing themselves that they didn't really lose the election due to their own incompetence and poor policy choices. Oh no, the election was stolen from them by Barack, his army of gangsters and black street hustlers, and possibly Osama bin Laden too.

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But I want give readers a bit more detail to understand what is going because the right-wing freak out about ACORN happens pretty much on schedule every two years. The whole scam is premised on having enough people who don't remember when they tried it before who they can then confuse and lie to.

Read the rest of the full story of ACORN here: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/223436.php

Here's the punch line:

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I've always had questions about whether this is a good way to do voter registration. And Democratic campaigns usually keep their distance. But here's the key. This is fraud against ACORN. They end up paying people for registering more people then they actually signed up. If you register me three times to vote, the registrar will see two new registrations of an already registered person and the ones won't count. If I successfully register Mickey Mouse to vote, on election day, Mickey Mouse will still be a cartoon character who cannot go to the local voting station and vote. Logically speaking there's very little way a few phony names on the voting rolls could be used to commit actual vote fraud. And much more importantly, numerous studies and investigations have shown no evidence of anything more than a handful of isolated cases of actual instances of vote fraud.
Vote registration fraud is a limited and relatively minor problem in the US today. But it is principally an administrative and efficiency issue. It is has little or nothing to do with people casting illegitimate votes to affect an actual election. That's the key. What you're hearing right now from Fox News, the New York Post, John Fund and the rest of the right-wing bamboozlement chorus is a just another effort to exploit, confuse and lie in an effort to put more severe restrictions on legitimate voting and lay the groundwork to steal elections.
It's that simple.

The reason this is being ignored by the non-Fox "News" media is because it deserves to be. It's a right wing hoax.


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Re: Who Does McCain "Associate With"?

« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2008, 07:03:07 PM »

Here is a corrolation that demonstates the association of McCain's polling and the S&P 500 ...as the economy falters ,so does Mccain's support.
Behind McCain’s Fall

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McCain’s tracking numbers against the S&P 500 over the past two weeks, with a two-day lag to let the market results filter through Gallup’s rolling average:

McCain’s floor hovers around forty percent, accounting for the divergence at the end, but regardless, the correlation between the two data sets is a robust 0.77.

As Pollster’s Steve Lombardo says, “The economic situation has virtually ended John McCain’s presidential aspirations and no amount of tactical maneuvering in the final 29 days is likely to change that equation.”

In this election, as in nearly all before, a black swan has shaped the race’s trajectory: one of those unforeseeable external events that pops up in the last month or so, bearing an impact far greater than any of the daily fluctuations dissected by the punditry. Hanging chads and the ilk brought Florida to a standstill; Osama bin Laden released a tape a few days before the 2004 election; and now, the markets have scrolled red amidst a storm of fear and uncertainty.

http://stateoftheunion.wordpress.com/2008/10/09/behind-mccains-fall/


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