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Author Topic: Today is the Canadian election, guys!  (Read 445 times)
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« on: October 14, 2008, 01:52:57 PM »

Of course there is little mention of it in the American media. You have probably been following Obama and McCain's campaigns without noticing political events beyond your country (even just North of the border). If this is indeed the case, or if you have a vague conception of current events in Canada, here is a brief description of the primary candidates in today's election:

Stephen Harper of the Conservative party

-Current Prime Minister of Canada, Stephen Harper must defend his position by convincing Canadians that he has been fiscally responsible, and that his policies should be supported throughout the economic crisis. He insists that Canada "stay the course", drawing parallels to President Bush.
-Supports tax cuts, and is responsible for substantial corporate tax reductions.
-His party promotes the gradual transfer of health care provision from the public sector to private clinics.
-Ensures that the government is spending within its means, eliminating some services and allocating funds to the most effective programs.
-Wishes to end public funding for the arts (Canadians take the arts seriously).

Stéphane Dion of the Liberal party

-Primary opposition to Stephen Harper, the Liberals are a centrist party that attempts to balance business interests with public interests.
-Supports modest increases in spending for public services.
-Is introducing a "green shift" plan intended to reduce green house gas emissions by imposing a new carbon tax. Included in the plan are small tax cuts for average Canadians.
-Promises more government transparency and accountability than the Conservatives.


Jack Layton of the New Democratic Party (NDP)


-The New Democrats are Canada's third primary party. It is a socially democratic party, occupying a centre-left position on various issues. The party is so leftist, I imagine, that it would not be considered electable in the United States.
-Jack Layton will significantly increase funding for public education, health care, and social services.
-Is the only candidate to oppose corporate tax cuts.
-The NDP created Canada's universal health care system, and Jack Layton feels that only his party can improve it.
-Criticizes the Liberal party on the basis that its policies are too similar to the Conservatives.



The Conservatives will likely win again, however they may not gain the parliamentary majority they are hoping for. If the Liberals receive enough votes, the Conservatives will once again be required to share power and compromise with the other parties.

Stay tuned for the results.
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« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2008, 02:24:13 PM »

One look at Dion and you can easily see that he's a particularly good example of a mealy mouthed spineless say-anything-to-appease Canadian Liberal party pocket-stuffer.

One look at Ol'Jack Layton there and...phfft. Well whatever. He's probably had more go-nowhere ideas than hot meals. Honestly: look deep into those beady eyes. It's not just me right? He's obviously nuts. Right?

(sigh) So I'm left with the Prairie-boy at the top there. Mister, missionary-position-only, white-toast-with-a-glass-of-water, what-has-art-ever-done-for-us typical unimaginative bean-counter that he is.  I sit here in the West and wait patiently for the exit numbers to come in because if it looks like the Conservatives are in a position for a possible majority I will vote for Mealy-Mouth (or maybe Green), but if it looks like the race is close I'll have to vote in Missionary-Only boy.




Personally I can't wait till the Queen dies (GBTQ) so we can revamp the entire process and system.
Good layout on the parties, btw Gommi
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« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2008, 03:22:01 PM »

Ou se trouve les Quebecoise?
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« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2008, 03:31:55 PM »

They only vote within their province. They are a national standing party only insomuch as to gain seats to vote in Quebec interests.





(forgot too...no exit numbers any longer)
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« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2008, 08:31:51 PM »

One look at Dion and you can easily see that he's a particularly good example of a mealy mouthed spineless say-anything-to-appease Canadian Liberal party pocket-stuffer.

One look at Ol'Jack Layton there and...phfft. Well whatever. He's probably had more go-nowhere ideas than hot meals. Honestly: look deep into those beady eyes. It's not just me right? He's obviously nuts. Right?

(sigh) So I'm left with the Prairie-boy at the top there. Mister, missionary-position-only, white-toast-with-a-glass-of-water, what-has-art-ever-done-for-us typical unimaginative bean-counter that he is.  I sit here in the West and wait patiently for the exit numbers to come in because if it looks like the Conservatives are in a position for a possible majority I will vote for Mealy-Mouth (or maybe Green), but if it looks like the race is close I'll have to vote in Missionary-Only boy.




Personally I can't wait till the Queen dies (GBTQ) so we can revamp the entire process and system.
Good layout on the parties, btw Gommi
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I know I'm going to sound like an ignorant American here, but how does the Queen affect your elections?  I know Canada is a Common Wealth state, but what direct influence in present?  to what degree?

Don't you feel like Canada is a bit past British oversight?
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« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2008, 05:49:37 AM »

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I know I'm going to sound like an ignorant American here,

Nonsense. It's just a question - what's the harm? it was an ambiguous statement anyways; one that other Canadians would want clarification for.

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but how does the Queen affect your elections?  I know Canada is a Common Wealth state, but what direct influence in present?  to what degree?

The quick answer is none. We are autonomous regardless of membership in the Commonwealth. There is a loooooong story here of slow electorial reform that stretches back to 1867. In the beginning only white men could vote and there was no such thing as a secret ballot and whomever we elected had to be approved of by the English head of state. This became more of a rubber stamp process since no one in England wanted to see another colony rebel and remove itself from their sphere of influence. Since then we've been tinkering with the system on and on moving towards true autonomy but so slowly. So slowly that it's really anyone's guess as to when exactly we became truely our own. Many would say it was back in 1867 but I would suggest it was not until after the first World War. Even so British citizens who happened to be in Canada could still vote in our elections right up until 100 years after confederation, 1967!

Anyways there's still a lot of dead wood to remove from our system and areas where Canadians have long wanted improvement (multi-tiered voting. A senate that is either removed or representative of the people, toned-down majority-gov't powers, etc etc.), and while one does need to be cautious implementing these changes (because quick change can lead to disasterous situations), people have been waiting for it for a long time. A lot of what hampers change, imo, is a lingering loyalty to the British monarchy. This is understanable when the queen is such a likable bird. I like her. But when Chucky enters the 'Statesman' role I seriously doubt he will inspire loyalty to 'the old gaurd' and problem areas in our system that remain out of mere loyalty to tradition will be much easier to challenge.


So while I like the Queen and all, and she doesn't really affect us in any meaningful direct way look for Commonwealth countries everywhere to institute changes they never would have in the past once she dies.

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« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2008, 07:06:56 PM »

Well, another Conservative minority government was elected, as expected.

I'm satisfied that the NDP received more seats this time however.
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« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2008, 08:55:27 PM »

what was the final breakdown?

what was the breakdown prior to the election?
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« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2008, 08:41:15 AM »

Thanks guys for the thread. I was really interested to read it.  Smiley


In a lot of ways, Canada has the same type of government system as Australia, both monarchy's etc.

But, I am trying to get my head around the political status of your parties. I know this is simplistic, but on a scale of 0 to 10(where 0 = communism) where would the 3 parties be at. Eg a really right party might be at 7 and a really left party be at 3. I am trying to compare your Liberal party to ours and also to compare Harper to other leaders.

I would think that your parties would have more strains of social politics policy than other countries? Canada has always struck me as a compassionate country. Not saying that is good or bad, just making an observation from afar.  Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2008, 10:03:58 AM »

neo:

The final breakdown was just that the Conservatives picked up a few more seats and the Liberals lost some to the NDP but remain the Official opposition Party. The Conservatives are still 13 short of the 155 needed for a majority. Essentially 4 more years of the same.

Jericoacoara:

No idea. That's a hard call to make so Im just going to pull my best guess from thin air:

Conservatives: 8
Liberals: 5-6
NDP: 4
BQ: 3


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