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Gojira
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« on: September 30, 2007, 06:49:58 AM »

Coming from China, seems quite hypocritical, no? Since when did the Chinese value democracy.  Stop cozying up to Junta and join the UN by laying the smack down with some sanctions.  Oh wait, they are hypocrites and don't know the meaning of democracy.  Should of known.  Roll Eyes

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Meanwhile, China’s prime minister, Wen Jiabao, urged Myanmar to resolve the crisis peacefully. “China hopes that all parties concerned in Myanmar show restraint, resume stability through peaceful means as soon as possible, promote domestic reconciliation and achieve democracy and development,” Mr. Wen said in Beijing, according to Agence France-Presse. The remarks were his most forceful to date regarding Myanmar, a close trading partner of China.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/30/world/asia/30myanmar.html?_r=1&ref=world&oref=slogin
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« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2007, 11:55:37 PM »

Nevertheless the UN desperately needs china to help especially as China has a substantial amount of leverage on Myanmar. Unfortunately china and Myanmar are the few regimes that are willing to kill in order to stay in power. I have hoped that china would phase out of this and come to the realization that it doesnt work. I fear the sanctions won't suppress the convulsion in Myanmar.
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« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2008, 06:12:51 PM »

I've said we didn't kill Tibetan. You think Tibetan is poor?Huh?Huh???Did you see the video Tibetan kill our Han chinese in Tibet?Huh?Huh?Huh????The media of your countries are really good.Because they didn't tell you the truth, and you believe them all.You just listen the few of Tibetans' voice.What about the most Tibetans' voice. They are hang national flag at home.Do you know what is meaning?Huh?Huh??If we really repress Tibetan,so what?!They attack Han Chinese they can see on the road!Which country will don't care about it?Huh????Tibetans have many good policy.For example,on National Entrance Examantion,if the school score line is 495 ,they just need 485!You know why CCP do it?Huh???
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« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2008, 10:08:50 PM »

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I've said we didn't kill Tibetan.

And you are wrong or lying.
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« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2008, 04:25:51 PM »

zhr, Tibet has frequently been outside Chinese control and much of the time Chinese control was merely nominal.  Because of its distance away you had a situation of having suzerainty rather than sovereignty for much of the history when you had some political authority there.  Otherwise more Chinese traditions, like the Imperial exams, to cite one example, would have taken root as they did in Korea and Vietnam .
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« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2008, 10:33:07 PM »

Ohh I see the little racist thugs are in here too.

Surprise, surprise.

Please let me know where you are all from so we can have some fun.

I'm Australian living in China.
How about you guys?
Where are you all from.

Let's see if we can have some good discussions here.

Tibet outside China's control.
Sorry, no can do.
In fact all of China was in and out of control over the centuries but it was still China.
Look at some western world maps during the 18th and 19th century.

Was America in America's control then?
Oh no, that's right. They needed to exterminate a few Indians first.
Run along, run along....

What's next on the agenda.
Now I know you guys like links to everything but I'm not giving you any.
You see I know how you work.
You sit on your arses and know nothing about China but shoot your big mouths of anyway.
If you're really interested go google the report from the economist magazine.
You will find the Chinese were very slow reacting to the riots which hardly sounds like a police state does it.
Let me know what you think about the poor young Chinese girls burned alive by the peaceful monks.
Ohhh, I forgot, they don't don't count do they. They're just Chinese.

Finally, I despise the Junta in Burma. They are nothing but pigs in uniform.
I hope that China does use pressure against them but modern China has a policy of non interference.
It will take time for a true foreign affairs policy to emerge and I encourage them to do so.


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« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2008, 10:37:38 PM »


I'm Australian living in China.


What are you doing in China Cune?

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« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2008, 10:42:17 PM »

I started visiting from the mid eighties just for fun and came back about 5 years ago to live.
I have a small Company in H.K but live with the real people in China and work from home.
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« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2008, 10:47:01 PM »

I started visiting from the mid eighties just for fun and came back about 5 years ago to live.
I have a small Company in H.K but live with the real people in China and work from home.

Cool,good luck with it  Smiley

There are heaps of aussies who have moved to China or recently set up business in China to ride the anticipated economic boom there.

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« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2008, 10:53:38 PM »

Unless they are big Companies they are wasting their time.
I think most are in the mining industry where things are really hot at the moment.
Bloody hell, Australia is turning into one big open cut mine.
The Aussie dollar at 0.93 is driving a lot of them.
It's almost impossible to manufacture and export based on those rates.
Still my money would be with H.K for small business and Cambodia for medium.
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« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2008, 01:29:57 PM »

CUNE

I see nobody can jump in any discussion without you calling them racists. If you want me to take you serious a bit, how do you expect with that attitude?
Remember, you are here to explain your beloved Chinese government actions! that's why you came here in the first place, right?
Does it bother you that I call you communist? Well, get used to it, that is how people here see things and if you expect that you show up and ppl listen to you unconditionally, just because you have a different opinion, well, this ain't gonna work.

..........I would say you are a capitalist communist.
Which is worse, because is neither, nor.
In any case you don't represent the real Chinese people.
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« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2008, 11:38:00 PM »

Cune isn't a communist.  China isn't communist.   It's a carefully guided capitalist economy.
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« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2008, 05:02:42 PM »

Cune isn't a communist.  China isn't communist.   It's a carefully guided capitalist economy.

its economy is a guided capitalist economy...at best, by I believed controlled is a more appropriate word than guided.

Also, let's not forget that it is a totalitarian state
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« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2008, 06:20:22 PM »

"Totalitarian" implies secret police, people living brutally repressed lives, everything controlled by the government, but it isn't actually true.  The only thing oppressing them is in fact resulting from the weakening and opening up, which has led to corruption and pollution and poor safety standards etc.  Far from being a classically over-controlled fascist/totalitarian state, its main problems are resulting from a move away from that.

IMVHO.
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