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« Reply #30 on: October 17, 2007, 10:23:44 AM » |
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I will say though that while I do not know about how general society feels about them, the governemnt of Australia, once it decided to move, moved much fater than the US with ITS civil rights problems.
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« Reply #31 on: October 17, 2007, 11:34:00 AM » |
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I knew this, I used it intentionally to see what reaction I would get. I apologize to anyone who maybeen offended by its use. I must say I have never even met an Aboringine but I have read much about thier plight. It makes Alabama in the 50s and 60s look like a church picnic.
They were not even considered humans until 1960 something is my understanding
Hey no problem  . I think if non australians it is not too bad, because they might not know the implication, but if australians use it, then it is really bad beahviour because they are fully aware of it. The treatment of aboriginals by the government has been historically really poor. The living conditions of many of the aboriginals, especially in the outback, are dreadful. It is a crying shame really. Alcoholism and abuse has destroyed communities. To be honest, I am not really sure what the answer is. The government has thrown money at aboriginal problems for many years, and nothing seems to be working. In my experience, the racism towards aboriginals by australians has dramatically decreased in the last 15 years. For instance, when I was a small boy, if I went to the football, many of the crowd would yell out "black ***" to aboriginal players. Now you never ever hear it. Society would not accept it. This is a good thing. |
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« Reply #32 on: October 17, 2007, 12:48:46 PM » |
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. Dayum Fort, the PM even apologized to them fairly recently.  -Terry . |
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« Reply #33 on: October 17, 2007, 04:39:15 PM » |
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. Dayum Fort, the PM even apologized to them fairly recently. -Terry . Actually, he promised he would apologise to the aboriginals over the "stolen generation" if the public voted him in, in the novemeber 24 election. It smacks of political desperation to me. He had 10 years to do that, if he was so concerned about it. He could still even do it now, before the election. One of the true stories about aboriginals that makes me laugh, is their delicacy in their food diet. For them, turtle flesh is the most delicious thing that they can eat. Which is all well and good except for one small problem, it has the highest fat percentage,of any food you can find. Eating turtle meat is like eating 10 big macs. So all the aboriginal footballers used to turn up to pre season training 10 kilos heavier, because they had been gorging themselves on the turtles over the offseason. So all football clubs have new directives, "No eating turtles". |
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« Reply #34 on: October 17, 2007, 04:40:55 PM » |
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BTW Terry, who do you think will get in,out of Howard and Rudd? Hope you and the family are well |
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« Reply #35 on: October 17, 2007, 10:01:07 PM » |
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. . Dayum Fort, the PM even apologized to them fairly recently. -Terry . Actually, he promised he would apologise to the aboriginals over the "stolen generation" if the public voted him in, in the novemeber 24 election. It smacks of political desperation to me. He had 10 years to do that, if he was so concerned about it. He could still even do it now, before the election. One of the true stories about aboriginals that makes me laugh, is their delicacy in their food diet. For them, turtle flesh is the most delicious thing that they can eat. Which is all well and good except for one small problem, it has the highest fat percentage,of any food you can find. Eating turtle meat is like eating 10 big macs. So all the aboriginal footballers used to turn up to pre season training 10 kilos heavier, because they had been gorging themselves on the turtles over the offseason. So all football clubs have new directives, "No eating turtles". Now Fort, since you brought up the so called 'stolen generation', please remember that it applied to all White and Aboriginal. Matter of fact, many more whites were affected mate.  Warmest regards Terry |
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« Reply #36 on: October 17, 2007, 10:25:10 PM » |
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The plight of the aboriginals is still sad though. They have many social problems, alcoholism and family abuse problems. One of the saddest things is going to a place like Alice Springs and seeing hundreds of aboriginals lying in the gutter with a bottle of metho or flaggon of wine in their hand. It is soul destroying because they are such an amazing race which has been harmed by our(european) inventions, alcohol.
Sounds exactly like Native Americans, except I don't know what "metho" or "flaggon" is, but whatever. Native Americans are some bad ass people though, I work with one at Dunkin' Donuts and he's the shit. |
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« Reply #37 on: October 19, 2007, 07:48:10 PM » |
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The plight of the aboriginals is still sad though. They have many social problems, alcoholism and family abuse problems. One of the saddest things is going to a place like Alice Springs and seeing hundreds of aboriginals lying in the gutter with a bottle of metho or flaggon of wine in their hand. It is soul destroying because they are such an amazing race which has been harmed by our(european) inventions, alcohol.
Sounds exactly like Native Americans, except I don't know what "metho" or "flaggon" is, but whatever. Native Americans are some bad ass people though, I work with one at Dunkin' Donuts and he's the shit. metho = bottle of metholated spririts flaggon = big bottle Problem that alcoholics face with drinking metholated spirits(it is used purely for cleaning purposes and has 100 proof alcohol) is that it is so powerful it rots the liver. Life expectancy is pretty short when the drinking problem has reached that stage. One of the saddest things you can see in Australia, is go to Alice Springs and see many aboriginals lying in the gutter or road,completely drunk, clutching their bottle of alcohol. It is a pretty soul destroying sight  |
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« Reply #38 on: October 19, 2007, 07:51:27 PM » |
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Now Fort, since you brought up the so called 'stolen generation', please remember that it applied to all White and Aboriginal. Matter of fact, many more whites were affected mate. Warmest regards Terry Terry, maybe we are talking about two separate things. I am talking about the aboriginal children taken by the government and put into custody with white families or orphaniges. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_GenerationThe Stolen Generation (or Stolen Generations) is a term used to describe the Australian Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children, usually of mixed descent who were removed from their families, under the rationale of protecting their interests, by Australian government agencies and church missions, under various state acts of parliament, denying the rights of parents and making all Aboriginal children wards of the state, between approximately 1869 and (officially) 1969. The policy typically involved the removal of children into internment camps, orphanages and other institutions |
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« Reply #39 on: October 20, 2007, 12:20:01 AM » |
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lol, it seems like Australia carbon copied what we did to the Native Americans, and our "boarding schools".
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« Reply #40 on: October 20, 2007, 12:22:19 AM » |
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always wanted to go to Australia.
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« Reply #41 on: November 07, 2007, 08:09:56 AM » |
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Don't let this discussion discourage you though Chovy. Aussi is a paradise, or it was in the early to mid 90s when I was there. Around the beaches. Diving, SURFING,,,OH DEAR GOD THE SURFING,,,,and the ladies,,,WOW!
If I was deported from the US Australia is where I would want to go.
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« Reply #42 on: November 08, 2007, 07:33:26 PM » |
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During my time in the Navy I visited Bunbury and Perth, Darwin, Melbourne, Townsville, and Sydney.
Perth is gorgeous. It reminds me of a cross between Vancouver, B.C. and San Diego. (Whis is a really great combination). I remember blue skies and blue ocean, green parks and clean streets.
Darwin was fascinating, only a few degrees south of the equator. Vehicles have these huge reinforced front bumpers. They call them "roo-guards" because of all the Kangaroos that they tend to run over on the highways. Outside of town there are anthills taller than me.
Townsville was a nice little place, and Sydney is also gorgeous, with a huge inland waterway. If you had a boat you could spend months traveling around, visiting the various communities bordering the bay. We saw a Mozart opera in the Sydney Opera House (I still don't like opera, but it was fun anyway).
The people were the friendliest of all the ports we hit.
One other thing. I've traveled quite a bit, and a lot of that travel has been off the beaten track. It seems like if you meet an English-speaking person, chances are good that they're Australian. They must be, per capita, the most ubiquitous tourists on the planet.
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« Reply #43 on: November 22, 2007, 05:57:07 AM » |
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I have noticed that flights bought IN australia to the US are alot cheaper than flights bought IN the US to Auzstralia.
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« Reply #44 on: December 17, 2007, 04:28:36 AM » |
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I was in Australia in 2002 for the South Pacific Star Party. I wanted to see the stars and constellations of the southern hemisphere, so mostly I was looking up. Someday I may return to see more of the country.
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