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« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2007, 10:38:28 AM » |
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« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2007, 08:50:06 AM » |
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.....this religion doesn't allow you to opt out. Does our criminal code allow you to "opt out?" You might say this is payment of the consequesnces, but not only are some people unaware... Being "unaware" or "ignorant" of the criminal code is no excuse...you will still pay the ticket. So, following the rules is not passive... Ignorance is. |
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« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2007, 09:51:50 AM » |
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The essence of a human is an interesting question when you examine all it'ss parts. Consider the number of separate microbes, bacteria and parasites outnumber actual dna-card-carrying human cells by 10 times or more.
The more you look it, imo, from the atom to the edge of the universe it begins to seem like one chain, one grand homogeneous device.
...*sigh*...and "No" that's not an ID argument.
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« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2007, 11:35:52 AM » |
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.....this religion doesn't allow you to opt out. Does our criminal code allow you to "opt out?" You might say this is payment of the consequesnces, but not only are some people unaware... Being "unaware" or "ignorant" of the criminal code is no excuse...you will still pay the ticket. So, following the rules is not passive... Ignorance is. So when will you submit to Islam? |
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« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2007, 05:20:45 PM » |
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We're different than animals because we can choose to risk our own life for higher, abstract causes. Our respective countries, freedom, pure glory etc........
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« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2007, 08:45:13 PM » |
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The essence of being a human is to roll around (no homo) the hood smokin' blunts, drinkin', and blastin' soulja boy out yo trunk.
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« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2007, 12:00:08 AM » |
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We're different than animals because we can choose to risk our own life for higher, abstract causes. Our respective countries, freedom, pure glory etc........
Taking a reductionist approach, I would rephrase this to cover two underlying ideas... We're different from animals because higher, abstract causes figure in our deliberations. These can affect our value structures in a way that is not apparent in other animals. Our respective countries, freedom, pure glory etc are such abstractions that are communicated to us via language: they are shared concepts that exist only in our ability to share them. |
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« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2007, 12:14:28 AM » |
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Religion takes this away from us. There is no choice in following. If this was true, those of faith would not sin. Edit: Religion attempts to take this away from us. It "attempts" to take away nothing. To "take away" is active. It provides rules for life with rewards and benefits for adhering to the rules, and consequences for not. This is what our criminal code provides also. Following rules is passive. It is still your choice to adhere to the rules and either reap rewards or pay consequences. Nothing is "taken" away. Following rules isn't passive all the time. It is when I follow the rule of not killing anybody, but I actively drive the speed limit. In today's society, it is nearly impossible to passively be following the rules set forth by most religions. You have to actively make the decision not to do certain things. You have no choice if you follow the leader. There is no decision in right from wrong, because the dogma tells you what the decisions are, taking away the power of choice. It's like making one choice so you don't have to make any others. |
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« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2007, 02:42:02 AM » |
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The essence of being a human is to roll around (no homo) the hood smokin' blunts, drinkin', and blastin' soulja boy out yo trunk.
You plan to stop saying nonsense, Cabrini, or just are competing with MD to be the forum's funless fool? |
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« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2007, 06:26:55 AM » |
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.....this religion doesn't allow you to opt out. Does our criminal code allow you to "opt out?" You might say this is payment of the consequesnces, but not only are some people unaware... Being "unaware" or "ignorant" of the criminal code is no excuse...you will still pay the ticket. So, following the rules is not passive... Ignorance is. So when will you submit to Islam? I am not ignorant of Islam. |
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Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best; it removes all that is base. All men are afraid in battle. The coward is the one who lets his fear overcome his sense of duty. Duty is the essence of manhood
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« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2007, 11:39:43 AM » |
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Language - with all its benefits and drawbacks.
Bingo. The tool which gives us the ability that makes us human... Self-awareness. |
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« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2007, 12:48:14 PM » |
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Language - with all its benefits and drawbacks.
Bingo. The tool which gives us the ability that makes us human... Self-awareness. Language gives us the ability to claim self-awareness, to discuss it and philosophise about it. You need to put in a lot of work into explaining how it actually gives us that awareness, and how come other animals don't have it. I reckon the cat here is pretty much aware of his social position, his own body, his routines and desires... where does he fall short of human-level self-awareness. Can you actually give a definition of what it is to be self-aware? |
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« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2007, 01:03:28 PM » |
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Language - with all its benefits and drawbacks.
Bingo. The tool which gives us the ability that makes us human... Self-awareness. Language gives us the ability to claim self-awareness, to discuss it and philosophise about it. You need to put in a lot of work into explaining how it actually gives us that awareness, and how come other animals don't have it. I reckon the cat here is pretty much aware of his social position, his own body, his routines and desires... where does he fall short of human-level self-awareness. Can you actually give a definition of what it is to be self-aware? "I think therefore I am." -- Descarte Can't exist if we can't think. Can't think without language. Therefore a cat has no idea it is a cat. Only because of language are we able to say "I exist!" Unless your a dualist and the idea of I is just a construct of your social upbringing...which I can agree with. (Check out my avatar...  ) But there is still the we... But yeah. Self-awareness is a powerful thing. If you are asking the chicken and the egg question like, was it language that defined us first or was it self-awareness, now that would be an interesting debate. It helps us get down to the nitty gritty of what makes us Human. |
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« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2007, 01:18:44 PM » |
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"I think therefore I am."
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Can't exist if we can't think.
You have misunderstood Descartes. Thinking is not required for existing. Rocks don't think, water doesn't think etc. I think therefore I am is a way of proving one's own existence. It's not a necessity for existence. |
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« Reply #29 on: October 08, 2007, 01:23:07 PM » |
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"I think therefore I am."
-- Descarte
Can't exist if we can't think.
You have misunderstood Descartes. Thinking is not required for existing. Rocks don't think, water doesn't think etc. I think therefore I am is a way of proving one's own existence. It's not a necessity for existence. Sorry. What I meant in terms of "existence" was being aware that we "exist." And in some cases many would argue that Descartes did mean that if something does not think, like a rock, it does not exist. I am more in line with that kind of thinking. But yeah, it wasn't my intention to say that. It was more tune of defining self-awareness. |
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