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Major Zee Lee
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« Reply #30 on: September 24, 2007, 01:56:04 AM »

suicide is sign of weakness,,, the more suicides the weakest is the society,,, this is what nature asks for,,,

MZL you are the weakest link,,, bye bye!!!

Listen, tough one... if you manage to walk in my shoes and live to tell... then we'll talk. As far as I know, one of us has been put to a test and has been tough enough to survive, whereas the other is a bloatful douchebag who speaks from the comfort of ignorance. Wink
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« Reply #31 on: September 24, 2007, 02:33:58 AM »

i don't know what to say either way it will upset you even more... so let the god be with you,,, so i won;t go personal but will speak on abstract wonderland language you understand,,,

your "test" was irrelevant the most important it wasn't a test,,,
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« Reply #32 on: September 24, 2007, 04:40:18 PM »

i'm mentally stable person,,, at least i think so,,, omg where is my shotgun, rope, Justin Timberlake's album,,, something,,,

ok, Rachel just for you,,,

any person who may have been into suicide situation,,,

1,,, get a pet like cat or dog,,, i dislike dogs myself because i am cat but dogs are better animals to human also they need more care not just being fed
this will teach you being responsible for someone so maybe you will get how it will be for that dog if you don't feed it one day

2,,, if you think of suicide obviously you have plenty of free time to think about crap,,, go do some charity work for elders or better with children with cancer,,,
around those you may learn value of life and how it feels like when you want to live but you really cannot

Those are great ideas!!
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« Reply #33 on: September 24, 2007, 11:13:29 PM »

I want to preface my post with the general knowledge that I've had my fair share of troubles with the subject matter.

To who all the people here who think about killing themselves, do you have goals in life?

I mean, do you have a piece of paper where you have written what you want in life and a road map on how to get there? I bet you don't.

I do not. I'm having trouble deciding how much of myself I want to dedicate to the world. Our species seems to be coming closer and closer to devouring itself and dragging the Earth down with it as well. Why would I sell part of myself to a people who are capable of this? It seems a better choice to drink myself silly and join the apathetic hordes.

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You have to declare war on self pity and be determined to be happy and achieve what you want in life. It's not easy, but the best thing is that everyone can do it.

This is a very optimistic outlook on the nature of humanity. I'm not one to share these romantic ideals of humanism, though.

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You need to read positive and inspirational stories to motivate you. There are millions around, but again most people don't look. Too hard, much easier to watch CNN and see soldiers being killed in Iraq, thousands killed in an earthquake etc.

The problem that I, and a few others as well I would guess, have, is a fundamental hang up with the nature of 'inspiration'. What does it inspire you to do? I tend see a lot of people's 'inspiration' as self delusion, and their driving goals to be naive and unrealistic. This leads me to question my own 'inspiration' and my desire to be inspired.

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Your life story can also be an inspirational one, and a magnificent one. But the only person who can determine it is you. No one else will care if you achieve what you want in life, so it is all up to you. Which is why negative thoughts and depressive thoughts are a waste of time, and harm you in a strong way. It is imperative that you push these aside, and make a brand new start.

To just 'push these [thoughts] aside' is an unrealistic goal for most people who suffer form these thoughts as they are assaulting the mind constantly. You can yell as loud as it takes for you to clear every thought from your head, but as soon as you quiet down long enough to hear yourself think, they return. Ignoring the driving force behind these thoughts only serves to buy time, and all too often this time isn't taken advantage of.

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Have a listen to the Dido song "life for rent". It is about whether you are renting your life, or own your life. If you are doing what you want or working towards it, then you have ownership of your life. If you are in a rut, feeling depressed and not doing what you want, then you are simply renting your life. Society has ownership.

Now I have an idea of whom I am talking to. Cheesy Name changes from the old forum are still messing with me but this topic goes hand in hand with the conversation we had before the switch.

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The good thing about todays society is that there is no social stigma with depression or suicidal thoughts.

Walk around with my scars in a short sleeved shirt for a week and then say that. Stigma isn't even close to the right word. Our society has a phobia of it. Which goes back to the idea that it's much easier to discuss this with the anonymity that the internet provides.
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« Reply #34 on: September 25, 2007, 02:25:06 AM »

Certianly, I.I., internet anonimity helps... being depressed is not cool, its actually... depressing... and may steal time from the usually productive leisure activities our socitty provides so generously, until making you shout what kind of idiot you ought to be to not be happy in the land of happines for a price... Wink

Sometimes it feels like "I'm depressive, so what the hell!? I'm PROUD to be ME, my depression at least is more sincere than all the be-happy-or-yur-an-idiot attitude that advertising feeds into our brains!"

Come on, how many of you would dare ot say in public, "I am NOT happy and I feel it's OK?" How about a campaign, "Happy? No thanks, I'm STILL working it"?

Happiness has been overrated and overused until it has lost all meaning.

Yes, sometimes it feels like "I am depressed, but I am me at least... And you?"
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« Reply #35 on: October 02, 2007, 12:25:54 PM »

There's always a better day to look forward to Major. Feelings come and go.  I am just glad you're still here.  Smiley
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« Reply #36 on: October 09, 2007, 07:32:00 PM »

Is depression a choice or a disease of the mind?  Amazing how the right chemicals can make us see brighter days.  I always wondered why the Jews in the deathcamps didn't commit wholesale suicide.  They had reason to, more than just about anyone else in history, and yet, most of them wanted to live more than anything else.
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« Reply #37 on: October 09, 2007, 10:38:24 PM »

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I found out that in a very profound level of my mind I can't stand people. Really can't. People... if I awoke tomorrow and everyone was gone, I would die happily.
Not to sound like an ass, but I'm in the same boat.
This is why I need to move off to an island so I can get away from people. Or maybe into the hills of some hick town... Work in a call center for a year. After talking to 100 ignorant people everyday you'll have to question the basic intelligence of your fellow citizens. I have to constantly mute myself because I start getting really annoyed. My patience is down to 0. I don't even bother talking to people anymore because I can't deal with ignorance.... I go to college, and simply sit quietly. I don't bother interacting with people as I always manage to find their faults. Then their faults start to eat away at me. I love it when people in my house go out of town. Then I don't have to deal with people. It's just me and my antisocial self. Anyways, not going to delve to deep into my thoughts on suicide as I don't get emotional.

Good luck to you MZL.

You make some very good points my friend. Human inequality is the eternal and immutable fact of life and the stupid and the ignorant seem to vastly outnumber the intelligent and civilized. That is why I support Eugenics.

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« Reply #38 on: October 09, 2007, 10:45:44 PM »

Well...

Talking about this things it's easier with strangers, yes. also helps that it's a foreign language, the additional effort looking for words helps in not getting too involved in this sort of travel to the ugliest in the mind.

But, I needed to vent it out. Specially because when you first encounter what I call the pit, you really appreciate when someone else tells you he knows it too. Knowing that other survived this struggle with self-destruction is helpful. Also as illhuman says, there's safety ropes, things that one may use to drag yourself out of the pit; and things that keep you in the right side of the slope, i.e. out of it.

As for people, it turns that I have a slight social phobia. I am irrationally scared of foreigners (that's why it has taken me almost a year to resolve myself into dealing with potential employers depsite my desperate need of working again). What is funniest is that I love that people cares of me, and I care about them in return, and so I'm pretty nice... but also feel deeply hurt when people is not nice with me, and then I bite back as well as I can. Btu that doesn't helps, of course.

All in all, I enjoy beign left to my own, but only to a certain point... whenever my parents leave for holidays I am happy the first week, but the second week I begin missing them and feeling tired about being with me and myself... also ahve a tendency to lmit cotnatc with ppeopel whoc ares about me, i'm terrible for e-mails as i may write a mail interesitng myself about someoena nd then he answers and then I c don't feel liek answering, i have 2topped2 my emapthy limit and need to be left alone... which si puzzling, but I need thsoe withdraws...

As for selfishness of suicide... well, probably is the most selfish act a person can comit, because when you have the rope in your ahnd, to speak so, and have to decide wether you'll actually hang yourself or not, it's all about you. It's your life in your hands. If there was soemthign else... if there is... you won't suicide. I think this may be why lonely people suicide oftener -the chances that a foreign influence breaks the intimacy with the own life and death are slimmer. Also there's cry out suicides, suicide attempts whose aim is to draw attention. Quite selfish too, when people stack their life against release from their suffer...

Anyway, I agree with Rachel that human are connected by the thigns we share, our abbility to understand as own what is alien. As my favorite quote goes, "I am human, nothing human is alien to me" (Homo sum, nil humani alieno me puto).

I have a close friend who suffers froim severe heriditary depression and it is a terrible thing. Best wishes to you my friend.

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