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« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2007, 07:44:53 AM »

I think its sad that you think you have all the answers...

The American government is the people.  If there is something we should be afraid of, it should be ourselves.


Was a nice thought Gojira.  Even if it is a lie.  This government hasn't belonged to the people in a very long time.  It is the instrument of the Banking Elite and their special interests.
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« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2007, 08:18:13 AM »

I think its sad that you think you have all the answers...

The American government is the people.  If there is something we should be afraid of, it should be ourselves.


Was a nice thought Gojira.  Even if it is a lie.  This government hasn't belonged to the people in a very long time.  It is the instrument of the Banking Elite and their special interests.

Only because we allow it...
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« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2007, 09:04:33 AM »

I think its sad that you think you have all the answers...

The American government is the people.  If there is something we should be afraid of, it should be ourselves.


Was a nice thought Gojira.  Even if it is a lie.  This government hasn't belonged to the people in a very long time.  It is the instrument of the Banking Elite and their special interests.

Only because we allow it...

I have to disagree.

The government does a great job of dismissing dissent as "ridiculous" and "silly", which leads to a population less inclined to disagree. Which is bad.

Yea, part of the problem is us... but a larger degree of blame rests with our leadership, in my opinion.
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« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2007, 09:56:55 AM »

I think its sad that you think you have all the answers...

The American government is the people.  If there is something we should be afraid of, it should be ourselves.


Was a nice thought Gojira.  Even if it is a lie.  This government hasn't belonged to the people in a very long time.  It is the instrument of the Banking Elite and their special interests.

Only because we allow it...

A lot of truth in that.

The American people have allowed many things we shouldn't have allowed.

Right now the majority of Americans favor medical marijuana and tighter border security, yet our government does not listen to us.

Yes, the people must accept their share of the blame, but that doesn't mean our government is without blame. They have sold us out.

A few brave Congressmen have tried to tell us the truth, but the people refuse to believe it. We only believe what we want to believe and we have allowed the "establishment" to tell us what to think.

As Congressman Larry P. McDonald told us......

"The Rockefeller File is not fiction. It is a compact, powerful and frightening presentation of what may be the most important story of our lifetime, the drive of the Rockefellers and their allies to create a one-world government, combining super-capitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.

For more than one hundred years, since the days when John D. Rockefeller Sr. used every devious strategy he could devise to create a gigantic oil monopoly, enough books have been written about the Rockefellers to fill a library. I have read many of them. And to my knowledge, not one has dared reveal the most vital part of the Rockefeller story: that the Rockefellers and their allies have, for at least fifty years, been carefully following a plan to use their economic power to gain political control of first America, and then the rest of the world.

Do I mean conspiracy? Yes, I do.

I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent. You will find the truth-often surprising, sometimes unpleasant, always vital-in the pages that follow. Gary Allen has done a masterful job of combining the hundreds of scattered facts and hidden clues of the Rockefeller puzzle until one unmistakable pattern emerges."
--Congressman Larry P. McDonald from the introduction to The Rockefeller File by Gary Allen



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« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2007, 10:04:50 AM »

The government does a great job of dismissing dissent as "ridiculous" and "silly", which leads to a population less inclined to disagree. Which is bad.

Can you elaborate?
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« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2007, 10:06:37 AM »

I think its sad that you think you have all the answers...

The American government is the people.  If there is something we should be afraid of, it should be ourselves.


Was a nice thought Gojira.  Even if it is a lie.  This government hasn't belonged to the people in a very long time.  It is the instrument of the Banking Elite and their special interests.

Only because we allow it...

I have to disagree.

The government does a great job of dismissing dissent as "ridiculous" and "silly", which leads to a population less inclined to disagree. Which is bad.

Yea, part of the problem is us... but a larger degree of blame rests with our leadership, in my opinion.

I think you got it right on Abraxas. Half the problem is bad leadership and the other half is the sheep of society or the people who just let things happen and don't care as well.
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« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2007, 10:14:41 AM »

The government does a great job of dismissing dissent as "ridiculous" and "silly", which leads to a population less inclined to disagree. Which is bad.

Can you elaborate?

Well, look at our 2 party system, for instance. It's extremely limiting and makes anyone with an alternative or mixed view point to become a minor party. Dissesnt becomes a minorty which means policy comes in 2 flavors and often times they both taste like shit.

Another problem is people in this country just let politicians run everything because Americans feel no responcibility to understand the issues. The more a politician can complicate a problem the better chance we have of not understanding it. It becomes worse when the media starts doing it too.

Americans have a responcibility to understand what is goin on in this country and MANY don't have a clue... especially the youngns' who can vote.

As far as I can see, the failure of this country rests with her people AND her leaders.
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« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2007, 10:51:56 AM »

Well, look at our 2 party system, for instance. It's extremely limiting and makes anyone with an alternative or mixed view point to become a minor party. Dissesnt becomes a minorty which means policy comes in 2 flavors and often times they both taste like shit.

Your right.  Our party system is balls.  (No metaphor intended)  Why is it that we reverted to such a 2 party system these days?  It wasn't always like that.

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As far as I can see, the failure of this country rests with her people AND her leaders.

...AND social instititions AND business AND beuacracy AND non-profos AND communities.

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Another problem is people in this country just let politicians run everything because Americans feel no responcibility to understand the issues. The more a politician can complicate a problem the better chance we have of not understanding it. It becomes worse when the media starts doing it too.
   

Actually the problems are extremely complicated.  Sometimes so complicated as such as it is impossible to see who benefits and who doesn't after certain implementations of policy.  Social scientists will come out with studies that come around both sides, and one begins to think that maybe there was an agenda behind them, so now we have to try and figure out if such a study is even done in good faith.  Miracle Econometrics, as I am currently learning, can yield two different outcomes to support two different theories on the same data set.  It is all depending on what kind of method you chose or how you model your initial theory. 

So no, I do not believe it is the politicians that are ruining America like you so speak, and many others speak, may I conclude.  It is actually all run by agenda, and the only thing that brews Agenda are those who speak it and the people who perpetuate its growth. 

Politicians are just one peice of the whole puzzle of trying to implement certain agendas on the general American public and it pains me to say that many plainly do not pay attention.   Like it was never in their own benefit.  Its the Federalist Papers gone awry.

Madison would be rolling in his grave...

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Americans have a responcibility to understand what is goin on in this country and MANY don't have a clue... especially the youngns' who can vote.

I have sat on this one for a while now after much reflection, all I can say is that the only thing Americans have the responsibility for is to pay taxes, shut up, get fat and watch football.  Angry 

My cynycism at its greatest...
 
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« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2007, 11:36:03 AM »

The American people are so clueless, most don't even know that the US has been in a State of National Emergency since 1933.

What is worse, is that if you tell someone about this, they still do not care, as they do not see how it affects them, so they are simply not interested.

Any person who actually cares about liberty and cares about the future of this country would wonder why the US has been in a state of national emergency for so long and why it isn't reported by the media.

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« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2007, 11:41:34 AM »

The American people are so clueless, most don't even know that the US has been in a State of National Emergency since 1933.

Um...What? Huh? Explain please.
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« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2007, 12:07:02 PM »

The American people are so clueless, most don't even know that the US has been in a State of National Emergency since 1933.

Um...What? Huh? Explain please.

The USA has been in a declared state of national emergency since 1933.

There were a few years where there was no declared national emergency during the 70's, but it didn't take long for the national emergency to be reinstated.

From Senate Report 93-549

War and Emergency Powers Acts,

 "A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years [now 66 years], freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have, in varying degrees, been abridged by laws brought into force by states of national emergency. The problem of how a constitutional democracy reacts to great crises, however, far antedates the Great Depression. As a philosophical issue, its origins reach back to the Greek city-states and the Roman Republic. And, in the United States, actions taken by the Government in times of great crises have - from, at least, the Civil War - in important ways, shaped the present phenomenon of a permanent state of national emergency."

The Foreword to the Report states in part -

    "Since March 9, 1933, the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency. In fact, there are now in effect four presidentially proclaimed states of national emergency: In addition to the national emergency declared by President Roosevelt in 1933, there are also the national emergency proclaimed by President Truman on December 16, 1950, during the Korean conflict, and the states of national emergency declared by President Nixon on March 23, 1970, and August 15, 1971.

    These proclamations give force to 470 provisions of Federal law [hundreds more since 1973, particularly in the Clinton administration since Jan 21, 1993]. These hundreds of statutes delegate to the President extraordinary powers, ordinarily exercised by the Congress, which affect the lives of American citizens in a host of all-encompassing manners. This vast range of powers, taken together, confer enough authority to rule the country without reference to normal Constitutional processes.

    Under the powers delegated by these statutes, the President may: seize property; organize and control the means of production; seize commodities; assign military forces abroad; institute martial law; seize and control all transportation and communication; regulate the operation of private enterprise; restrict travel; and, in a plethora of particular ways, control the lives of all American citizens."

http://www.barefootsworld.net/war_ep.html

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I am not sure what year the national emergency was reinstated, but I know that Reagan declared at least one national emergency.

Under Clinton, the National Emergency was continued every year he was in office.

Now, under Bush, the National emergency must be continued every 6 months.

Some of the reasons given for continuation of the national emergency were pathetic.

For instance, under Clinton, one of the excuses to continue the national emergency was the threat of terrorism from Libya.

While Clinton was in office there were actually 12 different national emergencies that were continued.

Despite Congress' effort, a dozen or so national emergencies have been declared and renewed annually, and are right now in effect. These are premised upon problems with Iran (every year since 1979), Libya (since 1986), Iraq (since 1990), Yugoslavia (since 1992), proliferation of weapons of mass destruction (since 1993), UNITA (Angolan anti-communists, since 1993), Middle East terrorism (since 1995), Colombian drug dealers (since 1995), Cuba (since 1996), Burma (since 1997), and Sudan (since 1997). Even the expiration of a statute, the Export Administration Act of 1979, caused President Clinton to declare and renew a state of national emergency (since 1994).

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=16932

Yeah, I see Burma as such a threat that we need a declared state of national emergency.

If you want to read more, just type into google "CLINTON NATIONAL EMERGENCY" OR "BUSH NATIONAL EMERGENCY"



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« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2007, 12:45:48 PM »

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Wow.  This is news to me.  So what your saying is that the president, when announcing that the State is in a National Emergency, are able to overreach their constitutional powers?

Explains the patriot act...

However, I do not like your sources.  I have a historian friend who may be able to confirm what you say and elaborate on what this means. 

But thanks for the explanation! Much interesting. Will do research...
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« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2007, 01:26:06 PM »

Ah! I am convinced. Thanks!

This new information irks me.  But such is the convoluted intricacies of the American Government...
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« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2007, 01:29:27 PM »

It was news to me when I first learned about it as well. What really ticked me off is the fact that the Whitehouse issues press releases every time a national emergency is continued, but the media does not report it.

It took a long time for me to admit that the mass media in this country is controlled. Not 100% controlled, but enough to further the agenda of the powers that be.
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