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« Reply #30 on: October 08, 2007, 01:47:31 PM » |
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It was news to me when I first learned about it as well. What really ticked me off is the fact that the Whitehouse issues press releases every time a national emergency is continued, but the media does not report it.
It took a long time for me to admit that the mass media in this country is controlled. Not 100% controlled, but enough to further the agenda of the powers that be.
Are you sure all media outlets doesn't report it? I am sure public radio and broadcasting might have had a share in mentioning it. However things like this is not profitable to the rest so it will not be mentioned. I can't decipher whether its important or not. Maybe this is just an accepted practice of presidential power since its inception during the Great Depression. |
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« Reply #31 on: October 08, 2007, 02:29:42 PM » |
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The USA has been in a declared state of national emergency since 1933. Wow. This is news to me. So what your saying is that the president, when announcing that the State is in a National Emergency, are able to overreach their constitutional powers? Explains the patriot act... However, I do not like your sources. I have a historian friend who may be able to confirm what you say and elaborate on what this means. But thanks for the explanation! Much interesting. Will do research... Pond Scum is right, not only can the president do this but members of the FEMA organization can do it as well. With each and every year government gets bigger and bigger. More organizations are made (hint CIA,FEMA,FBI etc, etc.) and more unconsitutional acts are permitted to the government (war powers act, patriot act, etc.). And guess what, after each crisis at the time is over they don't return the power. My guess is guns and freedom of speech will be the next things under attack under the Good Society Act led by the CSA (Clean Society Agency). Oh wait guns and freedom of speech are all ready under attack what am I saying? |
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« Reply #32 on: October 08, 2007, 02:37:02 PM » |
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The USA has been in a declared state of national emergency since 1933. Wow. This is news to me. So what your saying is that the president, when announcing that the State is in a National Emergency, are able to overreach their constitutional powers? Explains the patriot act... However, I do not like your sources. I have a historian friend who may be able to confirm what you say and elaborate on what this means. But thanks for the explanation! Much interesting. Will do research... Pond Scum is right, not only can the president do this but members of the FEMA organization can do it as well. With each and every year government gets bigger and bigger. More organizations are made (hint CIA,FEMA,FBI etc, etc.) and more unconsitutional acts are permitted to the government (war powers act, patriot act, etc.). And guess what, after each crisis at the time is over they don't return the power. My guess is guns and freedom of speech will be the next things under attack under the Good Society Act led by the CSA (Clean Society Agency). Oh wait guns and freedom of speech are all ready under attack what am I saying? Weren't they always under attack? |
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« Reply #33 on: October 08, 2007, 02:45:10 PM » |
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Not like now, where in New York you can't say certain words like "bitch" or the n-word. Not saying I condone those words but there's a million other words that mean the same thing. You can't just outlaw words like that, it's unconstitutional. Guns are always under attack true, but I was just saying you see a trend in the government gaining power all the time and it's not good.
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« Reply #34 on: October 08, 2007, 02:48:17 PM » |
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Not like now, where in New York you can't say certain words like "bitch" or the n-word. Not saying I condone those words but there's a million other words that mean the same thing. You can't just outlaw words like that, it's unconstitutional. Guns are always under attack true, but I was just saying you see a trend in the government gaining power all the time and it's not good.
You can't say bitch in New York? I love that word! What if it was in context in describing your dog? It would be a shame to be fined... But I get your point, if we keep this up, sooner or later we will be living like the people from Demolition Man, getting charged for every curse and having Virtual Sex! Oh no! If I was put in that situation, I would so be eating rat burgers... |
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« Reply #35 on: October 08, 2007, 04:51:10 PM » |
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Well, look at our 2 party system, for instance. It's extremely limiting and makes anyone with an alternative or mixed view point to become a minor party. Dissesnt becomes a minorty which means policy comes in 2 flavors and often times they both taste like shit. Your right. Our party system is balls. (No metaphor intended) Why is it that we reverted to such a 2 party system these days? It wasn't always like that. It was always 2 parties pretty mush, they just had different names. Back then though it was always States Rights vs. Federal Rights. Now, however, our federal government is so bloated it's come down to pretty much abortion and healthcare that distinguishes the parties anymore. As far as I can see, the failure of this country rests with her people AND her leaders. ...AND social instititions AND business AND beuacracy AND non-profos AND communities. All those people are made up of Americans. I was just being REALLY general. Another problem is people in this country just let politicians run everything because Americans feel no responcibility to understand the issues. The more a politician can complicate a problem the better chance we have of not understanding it. It becomes worse when the media starts doing it too. Actually the problems are extremely complicated. Sometimes so complicated as such as it is impossible to see who benefits and who doesn't after certain implementations of policy. Social scientists will come out with studies that come around both sides, and one begins to think that maybe there was an agenda behind them, so now we have to try and figure out if such a study is even done in good faith. Miracle Econometrics, as I am currently learning, can yield two different outcomes to support two different theories on the same data set. It is all depending on what kind of method you chose or how you model your initial theory. So no, I do not believe it is the politicians that are ruining America like you so speak, and many others speak, may I conclude. It is actually all run by agenda, and the only thing that brews Agenda are those who speak it and the people who perpetuate its growth. Politicians are just one peice of the whole puzzle of trying to implement certain agendas on the general American public and it pains me to say that many plainly do not pay attention. Like it was never in their own benefit. Its the Federalist Papers gone awry. Madison would be rolling in his grave... I can see your points. But sometimes issues come up that ARE so clear cut, but the media and opponets and supporters cloud everything up on purpose. It's those problems I'm talking about. Americans have a responcibility to understand what is goin on in this country and MANY don't have a clue... especially the youngns' who can vote. I have sat on this one for a while now after much reflection, all I can say is that the only thing Americans have the responsibility for is to pay taxes, shut up, get fat and watch football.  My cynycism at its greatest... Shame. I wish it was sarcasm. I have to disagree with that, then. Americans choose their leaders and if they aren't aware of the issues than how are they going to pick who's best? What scares me is that too many people have your mentality and I think that is part of the problem... But that's just me... |
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« Reply #36 on: October 08, 2007, 04:59:40 PM » |
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Shame. I wish it was sarcasm.
I have to disagree with that, then.
Americans choose their leaders and if they aren't aware of the issues than how are they going to pick who's best? What scares me is that too many people have your mentality and I think that is part of the problem...
But that's just me...
It kind of was. Bad choice of emoticon. What scares me is that choice of cynicism unfortunately reigns true. The only way we can ever get things to change is if people CHANGE that mentality. It frustrates me when so much blame is placed on politicians who were put there by the American people in the first place... Middle class America voting Republican...oh how much that supports my idea that agenda has so much more power over any people's mindset. Problem is, our mindset needs to be changed. Not an easy thing to do. Suggestions? Pistol whipping maybe?  Voter turnout in the country makes me sick... |
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« Reply #37 on: October 08, 2007, 08:23:56 PM » |
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Shame. I wish it was sarcasm.
I have to disagree with that, then.
Americans choose their leaders and if they aren't aware of the issues than how are they going to pick who's best? What scares me is that too many people have your mentality and I think that is part of the problem...
But that's just me... It kind of was. Bad choice of emoticon. Oh, you said cynicism so I thought you were just being brutally honest. What scares me is that choice of cynicism unfortunately reigns true. The only way we can ever get things to change is if people CHANGE that mentality. It frustrates me when so much blame is placed on politicians who were put there by the American people in the first place... Middle class America voting Republican...oh how much that supports my idea that agenda has so much more power over any people's mindset. Problem is, our mindset needs to be changed. Not an easy thing to do. Suggestions? Pistol whipping maybe? I just wished people had to write their checks to the IRS... or pay a surtax for the war in Iraq... or be forced to read the annual budget. Well, maybe not the last one, cause that would KILL me... but you get the point. No one seems to have a clue and the less responcibility a politician can give an American citizen, the happier they seem to be. Of course, ruining future generations is all in a days work... SS, healthcare, alternative energy, the economy... My generation is fucked. *shakes head* Voter turnout in the country makes me sick... Don't EVEN get me started on that... |
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« Reply #38 on: October 09, 2007, 04:05:58 AM » |
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The national emergencies are almost totally ignored by the mass media. Usually only alternative media sites carry the stories. For example, a continuation of a national emergency was just issued September 13, but go ahead and look for the story at google news, or any other news search. Here it is from the Free Market News Network...... Bush Continues 'National Emergency' Thursday, September 13, 2007 - FreeMarketNews.com For Immediate Release Office of the Press Secretary September 12, 2007 Notice: Continuation of the National Emergency with Respect to Certain Terrorist Attacks http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=48865&fb=1////// Good luck finding this story at any large media outlet. |
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« Reply #39 on: October 09, 2007, 06:41:27 AM » |
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My generation is fucked. OUR generation is fucked. |
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« Reply #40 on: October 09, 2007, 08:07:49 AM » |
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Sorry. Thought you were older.
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« Reply #41 on: October 09, 2007, 08:46:55 AM » |
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Sorry. Thought you were older.
No 22. I look like I am 30. (i.e. balding) |
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« Reply #42 on: October 09, 2007, 08:51:29 AM » |
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Sorry. Thought you were older.
No 22. I look like I am 30. (i.e. balding) Your replies sound much more mature and are very well thought out. That's why I figured you were older. |
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« Reply #43 on: October 09, 2007, 08:53:29 AM » |
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Sorry. Thought you were older.
No 22. I look like I am 30. (i.e. balding) Your replies sound much more mature and are very well thought out. That's why I figured you were older. Well thank you! It takes one to know one...  Maturity and age have been mathmatically proven to never equal each other. Expected Maturity will never equal Actual Maturity. Law of large numbers n' such. |
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« Reply #44 on: October 09, 2007, 03:24:44 PM » |
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Have you ever been to the website, Citizens Against Government Waste? How much reading have you done on government waste? What agencies have been listed as HIGH RISK by the GAO? Have you ever read the book, "Is that a POlitician in Your Pocket"? Ever read the book, "The Government Racket:Government Waste A-Z"? According to the Grace Commission, where does every single penny of income taxes from individual tax payers go? http://www.cagw.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=10354Oh, the old rhetorical question argument. I'm supposed to be afraid of the government because of government waste? Maybe you should get a bigger picture of things, huh? Maybe you can give me a percentage of government waste as a part of the over all budget. Or maybe you could stay on topic. Or maybe you could make an argument that is not a question? |
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