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« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2007, 04:02:35 AM »

I was referring to the fact that he's the only one who knows that Bush, Who learned how to fly a jet in the NG and has been Commander in Chief of the United States Armed Forces for years and yeard....ever served
It's hard to tell if the rest understand that, and are just being laconic, sophmoric little mop-pushers, or if they are completley ignorant to the facts but feel compelled for some reason to argue them anyway.

There are a lot of things doggie thinks he knows. Here is what the rest of us know:
http://www.factcheck.org/democratic_groups_ad_revives_awol_allegation_against.html

An ad unveiled Sept. 8 by the Democratic-leaning group "Texans for Truth" features a former officer in the Alabama Air National Guard saying neither he nor his friends saw George W. Bush at their unit The TV spot adds little to what was already known. Bush's pay records -- released nearly in 1972, when Bush was temporarily assigned there. seven months earlier -- reflect a six-month gap in paid attendance during a time when he was working on an Alabama Senate campaign.

There were these other developments:

A Boston Globe report Sept. 8 concluded that Bush "fell well short of meeting his military obligation" because of irregular attendance at Guard drills. The Globe said Bush's superiors "could have disciplined him or ordered him to active duty in 1972, 1973 or 1974. But they did neither."
The Associated Press reported Sept. 8 that newly obtained records show Bush's Texas unit continued operating the type of airplane that Bush was trained to fly until 1974, long after Bush's last flight in April 1972. Bush aides once suggested that a reason he stopped flying and later skipped a flight physical, leading to his official grounding, was that his services weren't needed because the F-102 Delta Dagger planes were being phased out.
The CBS program 60 Minutes aired an interview Sept. 8 with former Texas Lt. Gov. Ben Barnes, who said he used his political influence to get Bush into the Texas Air National Guard in 1968, when the Vietnam war was raging. "I would describe it as preferential treatment," said Barnes, a Democrat who is supporting Kerry. "We had a lot of young men that left and went to Canada in the '60s and fled this country. But those that could get in the Reserves, or those that could get in the National Guard -- chances are they would not have to go to Vietnam."


I'd say he knows what they, and everybody else knows...That Bush served, and saying he did not, and comparing him to War criminals & Hitler makes anybody who says Bush didn't serve a modern-day Chambliss...just as relying on an organization like factcheck.org is reflective of right-wing bias.
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« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2007, 05:48:28 AM »

I've often wondered what happened to the poor sap whose place in the Texas Air National Guard Bush usurped? Did the guy end up in Vietnam? Did he come home?

Do you suppose Bush spends many nights awake, wondering the same thing?

Nah, I don't either...
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« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2007, 06:02:36 AM »

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I've often wondered what happened to the poor sap whose place in the Texas Air National Guard Bush usurped? Did the guy end up in Vietnam? Did he come home?

Do you suppose Bush spends many nights awake, wondering the same thing?

Nah, I don't either...

Has there ever been any evidence that Bush's father was called on to pull strings or is this more supposition?

ps: has anyone looked into alGore's father pulling strings for him?



Just wondering
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« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2007, 06:07:32 AM »

Has anyone else noticed that it is no longer 2004 and the elections are not being held anymore.  While I agree that Bush did serve (in the looses sense of the word), it should be acknowledged that Kerry served with honor and was a brave solider, even if you did not want him to be president.  People do not receive medals and respect of those that served under him by being a coward.  It is as if it would melt Dogface's eyes to acknowledge that Kerry served with honor (even if you don't agree with his actions after he was sent home).
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« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2007, 06:14:18 AM »

Personally, to me, both men served and, as best as I can tell, honorably. Bush flew jets. Not too shabby for an idiot. Kerry was a leader of men.

We can agree or disagree with what they've both done since but I have never had a bad word to say about either of their service.
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« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2007, 06:49:27 AM »

Do you consider all Vietnam vets, or those who have enlisted to serve in the last 6 years as "poor saps"?

"You know, education -- if you make the most of it -- you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." --John Kerry

Bush is awake at night, Commanding....leading.. the entire United States Military in a time of war....as in combat expierence., disagree or not, like it or not, you don't end up...or get stuck as Commander in Cheif...you earn it, just like a medal.
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« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2007, 07:09:25 AM »

Do you consider all Vietnam vets, or those who have enlisted to serve in the last 6 years as "poor saps"?

"You know, education -- if you make the most of it -- you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." --John Kerry

Bush is awake at night, Commanding....leading.. the entire United States Military in a time of war....as in combat expierence., disagree or not, like it or not, you don't end up...or get stuck as Commander in Cheif...you earn it, just like a medal.

You do know that quote was about Bush and not about those that serve in the military?  I doubt his comment was directed to those who do military service considering he went to Yale and then joined the military.  The reason it was spun to insult the military was due to the election.  Please ensure you use the quotes in correct context before attempting to use them to discredit someone who isn't even trying to run in 2008.
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« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2007, 08:05:31 AM »

You do know that quote was about Bush and not about those that serve in the military?  I doubt his comment was directed to those who do military service considering he went to Yale and then joined the military.  The reason it was spun to insult the military was due to the election.  Please ensure you use the quotes in correct context before attempting to use them to discredit someone who isn't even trying to run in 2008.

"You know, education -- if you make the most of it -- you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." --John Kerry


"I personally apologize to any service member, family member or American who was offended,"
--John Kerry



"Phony soldiers." --Rush Limbaugh...No Edit...that's the entire statement.

"Rush Limbaugh took it upon himself to attack the courage and character of those fighting and dying for him and for all of us." --Sen. Reid, on the Senate Floor

"I did apologize to the troops earlier today, FOR him [Reid] and FOR the Democrats and FOR the group that has fed this smear campaign, this bunch of lies that he knows is false, but he just wants to get this in the Congressional Record now."  --Rush Limbaugh, Broadcast on Armed forces Radio


"The reason it was spun to insult the military was due to the election.  Please ensure you use the quotes in correct context before attempting to use them to discredit someone who isn't even trying to run in 2008." --Perrin


No point, just quotes...who cares what i think?

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« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2007, 08:14:49 AM »

Personally, to me, both men served and, as best as I can tell, honorably. Bush flew jets. Not too shabby for an idiot. Kerry was a leader of men.

We can agree or disagree with what they've both done since but I have never had a bad word to say about either of their service.

Not enough people see things this way. Personally, I think both of them were poor choices for presidential candidates, but there's no reason to go bashing people's service. I myself have doubts as to how faithfully Bush Served his duty, as well as to whether ALL of Kerry's presented record is accurate. To assert that these doubts themselves amount to facts would be a mistake though.

IMO, the best course of action would be to assess their potential for leadership of the country. I voted for Nader.

Factchecking and dragging new facts into light is one thing, frivolous accusations are another.
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« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2007, 08:32:05 AM »

You do know that quote was about Bush and not about those that serve in the military?  I doubt his comment was directed to those who do military service considering he went to Yale and then joined the military.  The reason it was spun to insult the military was due to the election.  Please ensure you use the quotes in correct context before attempting to use them to discredit someone who isn't even trying to run in 2008.

"You know, education -- if you make the most of it -- you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." --John Kerry


"I personally apologize to any service member, family member or American who was offended,"
--John Kerry



"Phony soldiers." --Rush Limbaugh...No Edit...that's the entire statement.

"Rush Limbaugh took it upon himself to attack the courage and character of those fighting and dying for him and for all of us." --Sen. Reid, on the Senate Floor

"I did apologize to the troops earlier today, FOR him [Reid] and FOR the Democrats and FOR the group that has fed this smear campaign, this bunch of lies that he knows is false, but he just wants to get this in the Congressional Record now."  --Rush Limbaugh, Broadcast on Armed forces Radio


"The reason it was spun to insult the military was due to the election.  Please ensure you use the quotes in correct context before attempting to use them to discredit someone who isn't even trying to run in 2008." --Perrin


No point, just quotes...who cares what i think?



interesting quotes, don't see a point in using my quotes to mean anything.  I haven't said anything against Rush in this respect yet.  So, why you my quotes?
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« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2007, 08:52:24 AM »

Your quote i think explains the entire "Rush hates the military, so Republicans hate the military" attack, and the "Bush didn't serve" attack quite nicley.


You do know that quote was about Bush and not about those that serve in the military?

You do know that Bush, as CINC, serves in the military?
Bush, who just happens to serve in the United states military, is stupid....Now do I have the correct context?

This is why I compared the Kerry Remarks to being on of those "poor saps" who went to Vietnam. It's more of a stretch when put INTO "context"
It doesn't really matter at this point, as Bush (as CINC) has already recieved his personal apology.

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« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2007, 08:57:32 AM »

Personally, to me, both men served and, as best as I can tell, honorably. Bush flew jets. Not too shabby for an idiot. Kerry was a leader of men.

We can agree or disagree with what they've both done since but I have never had a bad word to say about either of their service.

Yeah, both basically exactly the same. Except, of course, that one served in Vietnam with distinction and the other had his daddy pull strings to make sure he was never in the same hemisphere as the bad guys.
But other than that, no difference.
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« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2007, 09:14:36 AM »

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Yeah, both basically exactly the same. Except, of course, that one served in Vietnam with distinction and the other had his daddy pull strings to make sure he was never in the same hemisphere as the bad guys.
But other than that, no difference.

I asked earlier about evidence that Bush 'pulled strings.' Do you have any or will just keep repeating that?
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« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2007, 10:17:20 AM »

Has there ever been any evidence that Bush's father was called on to pull strings or is this more supposition?

ps: has anyone looked into alGore's father pulling strings for him?



Just wondering
  Neue; Al gore is not the President of the United States Bush junior is.
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Bush had scored only 25 percent on a "pilot aptitude" test, the lowest acceptable grade. But his father was then a congressman from Houston, and the commanders of the Texas Guard clearly had an appreciation of politics.

Bush was sworn in as an airman the same day he applied. His commander, Col. Walter B. "Buck" Staudt, was apparently so pleased to have a VIP's son in his unit that he later staged a special ceremony so he could have his picture taken administering the oath, instead of the captain who actually had sworn Bush in. Later, when Bush was commissioned a second lieutenant by another subordinate, Staudt again staged a special ceremony for the cameras, this time with Bush's father the congressman – a supporter of the Vietnam War – standing proudly in the background.

Bush's father went on to run for senator in 1970 against Lloyd Bentsen Jr. – a prominent Texas Democrat whose own son had been placed in the same Texas Guard unit by the same Col. Staudt around the same time as Bush. On Election Day, before the polls closed, Guard commanders nominated both George W. Bush and Lloyd Bentsen III for promotion to first lieutenant – even as the elder Bentsen was defeating the elder Bush.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/campaigns/wh2000/stories/bush072899.htm
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« Reply #29 on: October 08, 2007, 01:30:34 PM »

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Yeah, both basically exactly the same. Except, of course, that one served in Vietnam with distinction and the other had his daddy pull strings to make sure he was never in the same hemisphere as the bad guys.
But other than that, no difference.

I asked earlier about evidence that Bush 'pulled strings.' Do you have any or will just keep repeating that?

Nice effort Freethinker (referring to your post, immediately above). However, I doubt you'll ever find a source acceptable to neue regal. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I doubt it. If he's resisted knowing all this time, I doubt he'll be persuaded by mere articles in the "left wing media."
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