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Question: Should a custodial parent be allowed to move aftere
A custodial parent has the right to move with the children. - 4 (80%)
The child(ren) deserves the right to see both parents regardless of what is in the best interest of the custodial parent. - 1 (20%)
Total Voters: 5

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« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2007, 10:15:06 AM »

Dormouse, the reality is, people have kids, every animal reproduces, including humans. Some humans can't get along no matter what they thought going into a 'marriage' (a concept created by humans). Do you suggest that 'fighting parents' stay together until one of them kills the other in the heat of an argument? Is that really better for the kids?
Statistically speaking?  Yes it is.

I'm just approaching the topic rationally...  Adults are seeking their own interests even if it harms their own children and I don't see why I should have to ignore that or pretend otherwise.

You mean logically or rationally? You obviously have feelings about it. I do not pretend that divorce is not harmful, but I think it's way less harmful than a child watching his own parents physically or verbally abuse each other constantly. No one deserves that. Either way children learn what they live.

My parents divorced as well, but it was before I had a memory of them ever being together. So I don't think it was as traumatic, but even children with both parents living together have problems. Of course it would be a wonderful world if everyone got along and everyone stayed married and raised their kids amazingly well, but we don't live in that world. The population keeps increasing and with more people comes more problems and more divorce.
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« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2007, 12:06:56 PM »

You mean logically or rationally? You obviously have feelings about it. I do not pretend that divorce is not harmful, but I think it's way less harmful than a child watching his own parents physically or verbally abuse each other constantly. No one deserves that. Either way children learn what they live. 
Statistics do not support your assertion here.

Children of divorce have much higher rates of alcoholism, drug abuse, suicide, depression, prison time and divorce than the average population.  In many cases, the higher rates are 3 or 4 times the average (not just some slightly marginal increase of risk).

And of course the 'average' includes all those kids of drunken/fighting parents who didn't divorce.  If they were ending up in prison and having sky-high alcoholism, drug abuse rates or suicide rates, then that would be relevant, but apparently there is no data out there saying that.

Like I said, I'm just going with the facts here.  The facts are that divorce, if children under 12 are present, is more harmful to children than non-divorce.  This statement does not need any special qualifiers to make it valid.  It is a naked fact.

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My parents divorced as well, but it was before I had a memory of them ever being together. So I don't think it was as traumatic, but even children with both parents living together have problems. Of course it would be a wonderful world if everyone got along and everyone stayed married and raised their kids amazingly well, but we don't live in that world. The population keeps increasing and with more people comes more problems and more divorce.
Personal anecdotal evidence does not negate statistical averages.

99% of child-sex abusers are male.  Are you a male?  Do you sexually abuse children?  You saying "no" doesn't negate the key point that 99% of child-sex abusers are male.


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« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2007, 03:00:44 PM »

You mean logically or rationally? You obviously have feelings about it. I do not pretend that divorce is not harmful, but I think it's way less harmful than a child watching his own parents physically or verbally abuse each other constantly. No one deserves that. Either way children learn what they live. 
Statistics do not support your assertion here.

Children of divorce have much higher rates of alcoholism, drug abuse, suicide, depression, prison time and divorce than the average population.  In many cases, the higher rates are 3 or 4 times the average (not just some slightly marginal increase of risk).

And of course the 'average' includes all those kids of drunken/fighting parents who didn't divorce.  If they were ending up in prison and having sky-high alcoholism, drug abuse rates or suicide rates, then that would be relevant, but apparently there is no data out there saying that.

Like I said, I'm just going with the facts here.  The facts are that divorce, if children under 12 are present, is more harmful to children than non-divorce.  This statement does not need any special qualifiers to make it valid.  It is a naked fact.

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My parents divorced as well, but it was before I had a memory of them ever being together. So I don't think it was as traumatic, but even children with both parents living together have problems. Of course it would be a wonderful world if everyone got along and everyone stayed married and raised their kids amazingly well, but we don't live in that world. The population keeps increasing and with more people comes more problems and more divorce.
Personal anecdotal evidence does not negate statistical averages.

99% of child-sex abusers are male.  Are you a male?  Do you sexually abuse children?  You saying "no" doesn't negate the key point that 99% of child-sex abusers are male.




I would be very interested to see these statistics that you are referring to, as well as some evidence that divorce is the only cause for the higher rates of 'loserness'. It could well not be isolated at all if you consider that more than half of marriages end in divorce. The higher that ratio becomes, the more likely that everyone is a 'product of divorce'.
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« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2007, 11:26:22 AM »

I would be very interested to see these statistics that you are referring to ...
With all due respect, then you should research the topic.

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything.  Nor do I care if you are convinced that my opinion is correct or wrong.  The thread asked a question and I gave my opinion upon the topic.

If you don't like my opinion, don't agree with it, want to reject it or whatever, that's fine by me.  I have no need to "prove" anything here since I'm only stating my opinion.  Feel free to reject it.  I don't have any need to 'win' any discussion or prove any point.

Indeed, on this topic I expect the vast majority to just ignore my point since it is 'inconvenient'.

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« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2007, 11:54:03 AM »

Or maybe because they don't believe it?
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« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2007, 11:58:55 AM »

Or maybe because they don't believe it?
They, or anyone else, is entitled to their beliefs. 

Far be it for me to interfere with that.  I don't quibble about their religious beliefs either.

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« Reply #21 on: November 09, 2007, 03:28:32 PM »

Why even post anything at all? Smiley
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« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2007, 07:05:39 AM »

Why even post anything at all? Smiley
Same reason as everyone else.  To share my opinions and to read about or inquire about other's opinions.

I have no need to 'win' any discussion and no need to 'prove' that I'm right about anything.

Occaisonally, I may engage in a discussion seeking to influence others to look at something differently.  But if others choose to ignore what I say, or discount it, that is their perogative.

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« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2007, 10:13:20 AM »

Funny thing about statistics that you have not provided and I am supposed to go find... is that they may not be entirely accurate. That's all I'm saying. Yes divorce is harmful. Your assertation that divorce is more harmful than one parent murdering the other is ludicrous.
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