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« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2007, 07:13:20 PM »

The only one (I think)involved who is advising the President was Bush41...who was never charged with anything.

You think? So... John Negroponte, our Deputy Secretary of State, doesn't advise Bush on anything? And he never advised Bush as ambassador to the UN or Iraq? You didn't even read the article I linked to did you? Or was it all just over your head?

And just because Bush Sr. was never charged doesn't mean he didn't do anything wrong. I hate to break the news to you but the fact that Bush was intimately involved in the Iran/Contra scandal came out after he lost the election to Clinton.

 
Whereas Sandy recieved a misdemeanor on the condition he take a ploygraph test, which he never did. I'm looking foward to you, and Mr. Berger, and the Clintons being exonerated when the result of that polygraph are released. ................................

Not true. Berger agreed to take a polygraph test as PART OF a plea deal. The polygraph test was not a requirement as you suggest.

And do you know it is a rule around here that if you cut and paste someone else's work you have to provide a link?

Also (excuse me) "Socks" Berger, before he was advisor to Bill Clinton, was a lobbyist....who worked for....the government of China.  Shocked


That's not entirely true. Berger worked for the law firm Hogan & Hartson who lobbied for the trade office of the Chinese government. But if you insist Berger worked for the government of China then by your logic Dick Cheney worked for Iran.  laugh
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« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2007, 08:07:06 PM »

No offence, but why would you vote for someone because of ONE policy? That's as dumb as voting for her because she's a woman. And I hear that talk all the time "Finally a woman. I'm voting for her". Well what about her policies, what do you think of them? "Uhh I dunno".

Clinton is going to win the nomination for the Democrats. But she won't win the presidential election.

because that 1 issue is more important then any other issue(s) the other canadates are running for (R) or (D)
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« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2007, 08:08:15 PM »

Imagine if Bush hired a convicted criminal to pick his tie out every morning.

Well... I would be relieved if all the participants in the Iran/Contra scandal who are now working for the government under Bush were just picking out his tie but they are doing a lot more than that.

Actually... that is a good point...

if she wins the nomination i think i might actually vote for her breaking me string of republican only streak.  Lips Sealed

its her health care plan that is winning my vote.
absolutly nothing else.

smite me if you must but im only being honest angel

I never thought you a "federal healthcare" kinda guy.

absolutly! heath care should be a right not a privlege.
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« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2007, 03:47:41 AM »

You are playing the  moral equivalency game, and it adds nothing. Besides that, you,re losing. you haven't named a single person who was convicted, except maybe Poindexter,...whom you didn't name anyway. (who had his convictions overturned in a court of law, and he never advised President Bush44, anyway.) ...you've named no one that equates to hiring Sandy to the exact same post he was fired from in the last campaign for stealing documents from the national archives. You state Berger did not steal original documents as if fact. and you condemn Bush41 "the criminal" as fact. What crime have you convicted him of?
I say that: "Sandy recieved a misdemeanor on the condition he take a ploygraph test, which he never did."
You say: "Not true. Berger agreed to take a polygraph test as PART OF a plea deal.
What's your point Buzz, do you have one?
I say that Berger was a lobbyist who worked for the Chinese government...Not true! you say, he was a worker who lobbied for the government of China.
What's your point Buzz? do you have one?

Have you ever spent one word here criticizing Clinton, or Praising Bush?

I say Clinton hires a convicted criminal as a high-level policy advisor.
What the fudge are you saying? ?
 
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« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2007, 04:23:16 AM »

Hillary doesn't usually do anything that isn't well-thought out or planned, so maybe she has some hidden agenda. More likely, she just made good on an offer to an old friend and didn't think anyone would notice. But that doesn't make sense either, considering Republicans will attack anything she does at any given time. I'm not really sure what she's up to with this one.
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« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2007, 04:49:26 AM »

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But that doesn't make sense either, considering Republicans will attack anything she does at any given time.

I think Ms. Hillary can and should expect similar treatment that her and her colleagues have given Bush and the Republicans for the last dozen years. She won't be brutalized from the friendly confines of the MSM but there will be select pockets from which she should expect to be scrutinized....strongly.

She stepped in this one.
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« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2007, 05:30:37 AM »

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But that doesn't make sense either, considering Republicans will attack anything she does at any given time.

I think Ms. Hillary can and should expect similar treatment that her and her colleagues have given Bush and the Republicans for the last dozen years. She won't be brutalized from the friendly confines of the MSM but there will be select pockets from which she should expect to be scrutinized....strongly.

She stepped in this one.

This treatment which, oddly enough, Bush and the Republicans earned by go after the Clinton's during Bill's presidency.   I guess the cycle continues.

(oh, to make this clear, I am for this scrutiny of Hillary, I just want to make sure Neue understands that it wasn't Hilary that started it, it goes back, probably, to the birth of this nation)
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« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2007, 05:55:40 AM »

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This treatment which, oddly enough, Bush and the Republicans earned by go after the Clinton's during Bill's presidency.   I guess the cycle continues.

(oh, to make this clear, I am for this scrutiny of Hillary, I just want to make sure Neue understands that it wasn't Hilary that started it, it goes back, probably, to the birth of this nation)

I'd say that it has taken a nose dive in the last 30 years. Not sure who it started with...Nixon perhaps.
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« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2007, 05:58:15 AM »

And if you want to try and rationalize supplying weapons to both sides of a war without sounding like a war loving idiot republican, go right ahead.

Buzz, I would encourage you to find the source from which you received the impression that the Iran/Contra plan involved supplying weapons to both sides of the same war and re-evaluate its reliability.

Many Iran/Contra convictions were overturned and each was a political target who opposed a congressional policy of abandoning US allies in a communist state.
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« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2007, 07:52:54 AM »

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This treatment which, oddly enough, Bush and the Republicans earned by go after the Clinton's during Bill's presidency.   I guess the cycle continues.

(oh, to make this clear, I am for this scrutiny of Hillary, I just want to make sure Neue understands that it wasn't Hilary that started it, it goes back, probably, to the birth of this nation)

I'd say that it has taken a nose dive in the last 30 years. Not sure who it started with...Nixon perhaps.

I doubt any singular person or event really started it.

It's just a bunch of people competing for more power, and if they have to act like petulous children to get it, then so be it.
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« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2007, 08:43:16 PM »

You are playing the  moral equivalency game, and it adds nothing.

Yes we are... and it was you that invited us all to play when you asked us to imagine if Bush had a convicted criminal picking out his tie every morning. I then pointed out that the Bush administration has what most people consider criminals doing much more important things in our government than just picking out ties. And since you obviously knew nothing about the law breakers who have been put in positions of authority under Bush and you made a comment that suggests that Bush doesn't have criminals working for him I then corrected this misinformation. So... it does add to this discussion.

you haven't named a single person who was convicted, except maybe Poindexter,...whom you didn't name anyway. (who had his convictions overturned in a court of law, and he never advised President Bush44, anyway.) ...you've named no one that equates to hiring Sandy to the exact same post he was fired from in the last campaign for stealing documents from the national archives.

I pointed out that Bush has hired people who have broken the law. So what if it wasn't exactly the same situation? So what if I didn't name all the law breakers by name? I provided an article that described who and what these people did. It isn't my fault you chose to not read the article. It looks to me like you don't want to face the facts.

And don't forget that most of the people that article talks about actually destroyed original documents and/or were successful in covering up much of the facts concerning the Iran/Contra scandal.

And so what if these criminals had their convictions over turned on technicalities? That doesn't make them any less of a law breaker.

You state Berger did not steal original documents as if fact.

There you go again... misstating the facts... I did not say that Berger did not steal original documents. I said their is no evidence or proof of this and that all we know for sure is that he stole copies.

and you condemn Bush41 "the criminal" as fact. What crime have you convicted him of?

I haven't convicted anyone. There are lots of crimes that go unprosecuted in this country. Just because Bush Sr. wasn't convicted doesn't mean he didn't do anything illegal. And don't forget that when all this was coming out Bush was president and as such was protected from prosecution. Now if you think that he didn't do anything wrong then tell us all why I am wrong. Good luck with that.

I say that: "Sandy recieved a misdemeanor on the condition he take a ploygraph test, which he never did."
You say: "Not true. Berger agreed to take a polygraph test as PART OF a plea deal.
What's your point Buzz, do you have one?

My point is that a polygraph test was not required for the plea deal. You are misstating the facts again. Is that really so hard to understand?

I say that Berger was a lobbyist who worked for the Chinese government...Not true! you say, he was a worker who lobbied for the government of China.
What's your point Buzz? do you have one?

Again... you are misstating facts. Berger worked for a law firm who represented China.

Have you ever spent one word here criticizing Clinton, or Praising Bush?

What does that have anything to do with this discussion? Proving that I am biased doesn't disprove a thing I am saying. Try again!

Oh... and by the way I have criticized Clinton. Tongue

I say Clinton hires a convicted criminal as a high-level policy advisor.
What the fudge are you saying? ?

And again you are misstating the facts. Berger is not "high level". And that is what I am saying. You are trying to hype this whole issue up as if it is a big deal when it is in fact not. And as I have shown you do this by constantly misstating the facts.

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« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2007, 08:55:28 PM »

And if you want to try and rationalize supplying weapons to both sides of a war without sounding like a war loving idiot republican, go right ahead.

Buzz, I would encourage you to find the source from which you received the impression that the Iran/Contra plan involved supplying weapons to both sides of the same war and re-evaluate its reliability.

Many Iran/Contra convictions were overturned and each was a political target who opposed a congressional policy of abandoning US allies in a communist state.

I never said that the Iran/Contra plan was intended to supply both sides of the war with weapons. I was talking about how Reagan's administration was supporting both Iran and Iraq with weapons and/or support at the same time during the war.

All the convictions that were overturned were due to technicalities and others were pardoned by Bush. And just because some one was opposed to congress' policy of outlawing support of the Contras does not make what they did legal.
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