This generation will not pass away!

daedalus 2.0

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Re: This generation will not pass away!

« Reply #45 on: October 24, 2007, 07:03:36 PM »

Quote from: Delta Nine on October 24, 2007, 06:51:03 PM

Quote from: daedalus 2.0 on October 24, 2007, 06:06:48 PM

it isn't "sour wine mixed with vinigar", vinigar IS soured wine.
(French word "vini agre" = "wine sour".

So, it was wine, soured, and probably mixed with water. It was wine. Bad wine, but wine nonetheless.

You argument is interesting and I appreciate you taking the time, but on the other hand I find it quite amusing. You're pretty much doing the equivalent of arguing with people that think StarWars is real. To top things off you're doing the equivalent of arguing that Han Solo couldn't have made the Kessel run in less than twelve parsecs!

If Jesus drank Wine or Vinegar or whatever doesn't matter in the least. The Bible is FICTION. You know this.

True, but I like Star Wars.... Grin


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Re: This generation will not pass away!

« Reply #46 on: October 26, 2007, 09:12:06 AM »

Quote from: daedalus 2.0 on October 24, 2007, 06:06:48 PM

OK, then those scribes who supposedly changed the words in later manuscripts (that you can't seem to identify) actually did not change the word (or at least the meaning) at all and your original argument collapses.


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Re: This generation will not pass away!

« Reply #47 on: October 26, 2007, 02:52:35 PM »

John 19:28-30

Later, knowing that all was now completed, and so that the Scripture would be fulfilled, Jesus said, "I am thirsty." A jar of wine vinegar was there, so they soaked a sponge in it, put the sponge on a stalk of the hyssop plant, and lifted it to Jesus' lips. When he had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

1. Jesus drank wine after he said he wouldn't.
2. Later copies show that they changed "wine" to "vinegar" in Matt. (because it was a close match) to avoid the problem.


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Re: This generation will not pass away!

« Reply #48 on: October 26, 2007, 07:28:55 PM »

You can't have it both ways barney. Were the words changed or not? If they were changed, provide the evidence. What words were contained in the earliest copies? Let's deal with the facts.


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