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« on: October 12, 2007, 01:12:18 PM » |
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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/13/world/13nobel.html?hpOSLO, Oct. 12 — Former Vice President Al Gore, who emerged from the 2000 presidential election debacle to devote himself to his passion as an environmental crusader, was awarded the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize on Friday, along with the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a United Nations network of scientists. http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/algore2008/
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« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2007, 01:16:37 PM » |
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Proof that a college D student can "make the grade".  Personally I haven't put much reputation in the Peace Prize since Arafat and Begin won it.
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« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2007, 02:18:52 PM » |
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who is the "D" student?
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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2007, 06:57:43 PM » |
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Gores grades were lower than Bush's grades. Its one reason he hasn't released his transcripts to the public. More to the point he also dropped out of divinity school for his masters program (after dropping out of other universities). It a harsh reality, but its true.
I am not a big Al Gore fan, but then I wasn't a big Yassir Arafat fan I wasn't a big Begin fan, frankly most of the people in the recent past who have received the Nobel Peace Prize have impressed me.
I suppose its a Swedish thing, I suppose Ahmed Abinijad will win the next one.
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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2007, 07:23:57 PM » |
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I don't know much about the other two winners. THe peace prize (despite current politics) should be considered an honorable achievement, imo.
I like Gore since he left politics more -- if he went back in, I would only support him if I felt he was going to focus on global warming, and delegate the other bullsh*t (health, immigration, blah blah) to his sub-ordinates. If he does run (he wont') but if he did he would loose my attention quickly if it were back to the status quo and usual bantering/rhetoric.
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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2007, 10:57:36 PM » |
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I can't fault you your support of Gore. The environmental issue is important to you and pre eminent in your position. And the grade thing is just that, a grade thing. I don't hold it over Bush's head or Gore's. What is important usually is what they do with their experience in life anyway.
I see issues with Gore in the manner in which he says one thing regarding global warming but does not adjust his own life, as either an example, or to show how he himself would reduce the impact, its one reason I admire Ed Begley, even if I do disagree with him. Gore has an environmentally lavish lifestyle, I don't mean that he should not fly in a jet plane, and try to get to places himself instead of telecommuting. I mean that in his own life, his own home, he is at odds with his philosophy. If Mother Theresa had the Chippendales dancers at her home, I would also question her commitment too.
In Gore, I see a man looking for a cause, I don't see a man changed by a cause.
Maybe I am cynical.
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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2007, 11:02:43 PM » |
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i can agree with your point about Gore living in a house the size of Hearst Castle, and contributing more personally to global warming...but take into account the mass distribution of the problem he is having.
My whole take on this is simply this:
1) it is inevitable, no two ways about it -- 20 years, 50 years from now things will be worse 2) we can change what we do -- I personally drive less, and only speak with companies that allow telecommuting at least 3 days a week. 3) renewable technology will help solve this problem, once it is accepted, and demanded by the consumer market.
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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2007, 11:11:26 PM » |
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I wonder, what if Gore said he was going to get rid of his hearst castle, or change it, or make it better or something.
But no change in the past six months, and certainly none since he made the film.
I can understand using energy to get the word out (hence I will not complain about him flying about).
As an aside to the Gore thing:
I don't see much in the way of immediately viable renewable energy. Wind is next to nothing (and the Kennedy's won't buy into it). Solar is still to inefficient (though one day). I believe nuclear is the immediate answer.
Anyway, I don't see Gore as being as committed, or more to the point, as able to pull off influence beyond the choir he is already preaching to. In other words, he is not really growing the influence into areas where his views are not popular. In part because of who he is and what he does.
So I see the Nobel "Peace" Prize as being less than it once was, and not of consequence with Gore or any influence that Gore will wield in the future.
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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2007, 11:16:52 PM » |
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I personally don't give a shit how gore chooses to live his life in his privacy. Just because he has a big house (he was a damned senator for christ sake).
I find this line or arguing tiresome and not worth much time.
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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2007, 11:22:17 PM » |
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I assumed you were all about getting the word out, and convincing people to change. Do you think his lifestyle will hurt or help convince people that global warming is real?
That is my point, especially if that is the key reason he got the Nobel Prize in the first place.
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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2007, 11:33:46 PM » |
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If he wastes too much more time "convincing" people, then it will just go down the toilet like every other political endeavor.
Get the word --- spent a few years doing that (quite a few) Next step -- start promoting change at from the top down...there is a *ton* of money to be made in this, that's where the focus needs to be made.
Convincing people to go "vegan" and walk to work, while great if they choose, isn't going to go a long way that the cause of your life's work.
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« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2007, 07:45:00 AM » |
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I personally don't give a shit how gore chooses to live his life in his privacy. Just because he has a big house (he was a damned senator for christ sake).
I find this line or arguing tiresome and not worth much time.
You don't care how he lives? He should practice what he preaches. Yet he lives a life of "Do as I say, not as I do".
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« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2007, 02:32:22 PM » |
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I personally don't give a shit how gore chooses to live his life in his privacy. Just because he has a big house (he was a damned senator for christ sake).
I find this line or arguing tiresome and not worth much time.
You don't care how he lives? He should practice what he preaches. Yet he lives a life of "Do as I say, not as I do". Give me some specfics about what it is -- I'll I've heard is just what you're saying. "He flies in a jet, therefore don't listen to him about the consequences of jet pollution."
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« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2007, 06:44:02 PM » |
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Gore didn't deserve the Nobel. What the hell did he do? He made a fictional movie. Gore's prize: A fraud on the peopleFrom the sounds of it, the panel had a pretty tough time justfying it. This year they laughably claimed that Gore deserves the prize because, well, global climate change" may induce large-scale migration and lead to greater competition for the Earth's resources," and "there may be increased danger of violent conflicts and wars." Looks like they had to use Milgrams " Six Degrees of Separation" to rationalize awarding him the Nobel. Like Baldar said, the recent winners are less than impressive. The utter failure of Jimmy Carter, the murdering thug Yasser Arafat, the literary fraud Rigoberta Menchu, the Nobel has become a joke. Maybe Gore deserved it after all.
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« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2007, 06:50:44 PM » |
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I assumed you were all about getting the word out, and convincing people to change. Do you think his lifestyle will hurt or help convince people that global warming is real?
That is my point, especially if that is the key reason he got the Nobel Prize in the first place.
I believe people who dislike Gore because he's not a head-in-the-sand conservative ideologue will find his personal life highly disturbing. They can't stand it that he was right years ago while they were, and continue to be, wrong. Stupidly, absurdly, obstinately, wrong. A few years ago it was "global warming is a hoax." Now the line is "global warming is occuring but it isn't caused by humans." Eventually it will be "Iran is causing global warming."
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