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« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2007, 02:08:11 PM » |
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In this particular instance personal information could have relevance, the article suggest Mr. Hitchens does not use truth honestly. imho this is a serious charge against someone trying to prove things using facts. It casts doubt onto his conclusions, not by attacking the presumably good logic used to reach it, but by discrediting the foundations of data those arguments are based on.
"facts shmacts, you can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true."
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« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2007, 02:23:07 PM » |
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Christopher Hitchens, Trotskyite neocon war hawk and scourge of faith itself,...
FWIW, Hitchens is not a neo-conservative. He is arguably a trotskyite, and has never hidden his affection for marxist analysis. That some of the left dislike him doesn't make him a conservative. |
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« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2007, 02:36:15 PM » |
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Christopher Hitchens, Trotskyite neocon war hawk and scourge of faith itself,...
FWIW, Hitchens is not a neo-conservative. He is arguably a trotskyite, and has never hidden his affection for marxist analysis. That some of the left dislike him doesn't make him a conservative. He is definitely backing the Iraq war or did. You are right about his views on economics. He also apparently is a crude boor. OswaldTheOsprey |
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« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2007, 03:23:21 PM » |
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He is definitely backing the Iraq war or did. You are right about his views on economics. He also apparently is a crude boor.
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He can be gracious as well, though he appears to have a surplus of vices. Yes, he does back US policy in Iraq, but he does so for reasons consistent with his leftist history. |
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« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2007, 03:27:59 PM » |
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He is definitely backing the Iraq war or did. You are right about his views on economics. He also apparently is a crude boor.
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He can be gracious as well, though he appears to have a surplus of vices. Yes, he does back US policy in Iraq, but he does so for reasons consistent with his leftist history. He also was a veheminent critic of Bill Clinton from the left. OswaldTheOsprey |
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« Reply #20 on: October 14, 2007, 04:48:57 PM » |
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So there is a drunken, appallingly behaved man at loose in the world. Wow!
This is a matter that we should take seriously on a Religion and Philosphy forum?
I'm new here, so could you explain just what point you are actually arguing? What point of view you are proposing?
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« Reply #21 on: October 14, 2007, 05:02:42 PM » |
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So there is a drunken, appallingly behaved man at loose in the world. Wow!
This is a matter that we should take seriously on a Religion and Philosphy forum?
I'm new here, so could you explain just what point you are actually arguing? What point of view you are proposing?
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Indeed... get used to it, Sadly, ad hom's are often accepted as valid lines of reasoning here... Mr. Hitchens was the one using the ad homs. OswaldTheOsprey |
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« Reply #22 on: October 14, 2007, 06:48:02 PM » |
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So there is a drunken, appallingly behaved man at loose in the world. Wow!
This is a matter that we should take seriously on a Religion and Philosphy forum?
I'm new here, so could you explain just what point you are actually arguing? What point of view you are proposing?
W*****
Indeed... get used to it, Sadly, ad hom's are often accepted as valid lines of reasoning here... Mr. Hitchens was the one using the ad homs. OswaldTheOsprey An Argument ad Hom is an argument against the man no matter who does it first or second. Bach was a boor, Mozart was a childish ass, many Pope's were womanizers, etc. Of course, I could argue that a womanizing Pope is worse, since he is also a hypocrite. Hitchens is an ass, and frankly his arguments are poor. But I would prefer to talk about ideas rather than people. |
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« Reply #23 on: October 14, 2007, 07:42:02 PM » |
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So there is a drunken, appallingly behaved man at loose in the world. Wow!
This is a matter that we should take seriously on a Religion and Philosphy forum?
I'm new here, so could you explain just what point you are actually arguing? What point of view you are proposing?
W*****
Indeed... get used to it, Sadly, ad hom's are often accepted as valid lines of reasoning here... Mr. Hitchens was the one using the ad homs. OswaldTheOsprey An Argument ad Hom is an argument against the man no matter who does it first or second. Bach was a boor, Mozart was a childish ass, many Pope's were womanizers, etc. Of course, I could argue that a womanizing Pope is worse, since he is also a hypocrite. Hitchens is an ass, and frankly his arguments are poor. But I would prefer to talk about ideas rather than people. I am well aware of what an ad hominem argument is. Hitchens accused the priest of being a child molester-ad hominen if there ever was one. OswaldTheOsprey |
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« Reply #24 on: October 14, 2007, 08:13:00 PM » |
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Doesn't matter to poor barney. As long as Hitchens is an atheist, he could also be a child molester and barney will still gravitate towards him. It is a flaw in his character.
Personally I like Hitchens, I enjoy reading his work. I don't agree with his stance on atheism, but unlike the somewhat nazi like tactics of barney and company, I am willing to allow atheists their faith based belief system just as I allow everyone their faith based belief system.
Hitchens doesn't fit in any one camp of thought or ideology. Its one reason I enjoy reading and critique of his work.
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« Reply #25 on: October 14, 2007, 11:42:45 PM » |
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I am well aware of what an ad hominem argument is. Hitchens accused the priest of being a child molester-ad hominen if there ever was one.
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Good going! Not only do you change the subject and endorse the use of fallacious arguments (if you know what an ad hom argument is, why do you use one?), you come up with another fallacy - the tu quoque. I reckon you are simply trolling on behalf of logic teachers everywhere! Keep it, there's a shedload of bad arguments to come! |
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« Reply #26 on: October 15, 2007, 01:23:09 AM » |
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I am well aware of what an ad hominem argument is. Hitchens accused the priest of being a child molester-ad hominen if there ever was one.
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Good going! Not only do you change the subject and endorse the use of fallacious arguments (if you know what an ad hom argument is, why do you use one?), you come up with another fallacy - the tu quoque. I reckon you are simply trolling on behalf of logic teachers everywhere! Keep it, there's a shedload of bad arguments to come!  Oh! Did someone say something? OswaldTheOsprey |
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« Reply #27 on: October 18, 2007, 07:00:05 PM » |
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I like Hitchens, but he's hit and miss politically. He's a good example of how people can make good points in one area, yet be retarded in others (religion vs iraq). His work on religion is generally good and accurate. I loved the Missionary Position.
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« Reply #28 on: October 19, 2007, 07:51:39 AM » |
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Only the village idiot would call someone like Hitchens retarded. It reflects poorly on you that you believe any issue that you are not in favor of is somehow retarded. Disagreement, coming to a different conclusion, that is something to respect. Calling somone who is logical retarded? Now that is retarded.  |
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« Reply #29 on: October 19, 2007, 08:59:20 AM » |
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Only the village idiot would call someone like Hitchens retarded. It reflects poorly on you that you believe any issue that you are not in favor of is somehow retarded. Disagreement, coming to a different conclusion, that is something to respect. Calling somone who is logical retarded? Now that is retarded. Retarded? Definitely not. Crude? Definitely. OswaldTheOsprey |
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