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Christopher Hitchens, Trotskyite neocon war hawk and scourge of faith itself, recently gave an exhibit of his charm and elegance that is chronicled by Richard Lawrence Poe. This fascinating look at a monstrous ego run amok is courtesy of Taki's Top Drawer. OswaldTheOsprey http://www.takimag.com/site/print/660/ |
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« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2007, 02:33:51 AM » |
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So there is a drunken, appallingly behaved man at loose in the world. Wow!
This is a matter that we should take seriously on a Religion and Philosphy forum?
I'm new here, so could you explain just what point you are actually arguing? What point of view you are proposing?
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« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2007, 03:33:13 AM » |
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I hope and pray that Mr. Hitchens will seek the help he needs in his struggle with alcohol. He doesn't struggle with alcohol, everybody else does. |
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« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2007, 05:22:14 AM » |
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So there is a drunken, appallingly behaved man at loose in the world. Wow!
This is a matter that we should take seriously on a Religion and Philosphy forum?
I'm new here, so could you explain just what point you are actually arguing? What point of view you are proposing?
W*****
Hitchens has written a best seller debunking religion. He is also a loud war booster. His actions are worth noting. OswaldTheOsprey |
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« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2007, 07:35:02 AM » |
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So there is a drunken, appallingly behaved man at loose in the world. Wow!
This is a matter that we should take seriously on a Religion and Philosphy forum?
I'm new here, so could you explain just what point you are actually arguing? What point of view you are proposing?
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Hitchens has written a best seller debunking religion. He is also a loud war booster. His actions are worth noting. OswaldTheOsprey And you too have your own public or private sins, as do we all. You have chosen to use a classic ad hominem argument (I note none of what you say actually discusses the arguments Hitchens uses). By your own lights, your own grubby or selfish or illegal or antisocial behaviours (delete as inapplicable) are 'worth noting'. If Hitchens' opinions are to judged by his behaviour, then so too are yours. A****** |
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« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2007, 08:09:24 AM » |
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So there is a drunken, appallingly behaved man at loose in the world. Wow!
This is a matter that we should take seriously on a Religion and Philosphy forum?
I'm new here, so could you explain just what point you are actually arguing? What point of view you are proposing?
W*****
Hitchens has written a best seller debunking religion. He is also a loud war booster. His actions are worth noting. OswaldTheOsprey And you too have your own public or private sins, as do we all. You have chosen to use a classic ad hominem argument (I note none of what you say actually discusses the arguments Hitchens uses). By your own lights, your own grubby or selfish or illegal or antisocial behaviours (delete as inapplicable) are 'worth noting'. If Hitchens' opinions are to judged by his behaviour, then so too are yours. A****** So when public figures make public asses of themselves at a public events we are to ignore it? My private sins (and yours and everyone elses) are just that: private. OswaldTheOsprey |
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« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2007, 08:28:24 AM » |
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So there is a drunken, appallingly behaved man at loose in the world. Wow!
This is a matter that we should take seriously on a Religion and Philosphy forum?
I'm new here, so could you explain just what point you are actually arguing? What point of view you are proposing?
W*****
Hitchens has written a best seller debunking religion. He is also a loud war booster. His actions are worth noting. OswaldTheOsprey And you too have your own public or private sins, as do we all. You have chosen to use a classic ad hominem argument (I note none of what you say actually discusses the arguments Hitchens uses). By your own lights, your own grubby or selfish or illegal or antisocial behaviours (delete as inapplicable) are 'worth noting'. If Hitchens' opinions are to judged by his behaviour, then so too are yours. A****** So when public figures make public asses of themselves at a public events we are to ignore it? My private sins (and yours and everyone elses) are just that: private. OswaldTheOsprey You can do as you wish. I think the mans behaviour was ludicrous, appalling and stupid. However, it has nothing to do with the validity of his arguments. And since this is a philosophy and religion board not a "let's gossip and spread what scandal we can about people we don't like" board, I suggest that your po-faced, privately sqirming-with-delight revelations could be better posted on the sort of board where readers think that this what "debating" is all about. I think that since you have 'gone public' with your views of Hitchens' behaviour, then your private sins are now fair game. We should be told!! What hideous excesses might you indulge in (do you eat your nailclippings? have you unjustly accused your dog of Manicheanism? do you comb your hair over your baldspot?). We now have a right to know, since it will affect how we judge anything you say! By the way, do you know, for example, ANY 'nice' great artists? FFS we have been idolising Michelangelo's work for years and he was involved in street fighting! Whitewash the Sistine Chapel. |
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« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2007, 08:47:34 AM » |
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So there is a drunken, appallingly behaved man at loose in the world. Wow!
This is a matter that we should take seriously on a Religion and Philosphy forum?
I'm new here, so could you explain just what point you are actually arguing? What point of view you are proposing?
W*****
Hitchens has written a best seller debunking religion. He is also a loud war booster. His actions are worth noting. OswaldTheOsprey And you too have your own public or private sins, as do we all. You have chosen to use a classic ad hominem argument (I note none of what you say actually discusses the arguments Hitchens uses). By your own lights, your own grubby or selfish or illegal or antisocial behaviours (delete as inapplicable) are 'worth noting'. If Hitchens' opinions are to judged by his behaviour, then so too are yours. A****** So when public figures make public asses of themselves at a public events we are to ignore it? My private sins (and yours and everyone elses) are just that: private. OswaldTheOsprey You can do as you wish. I think the mans behaviour was ludicrous, appalling and stupid. However, it has nothing to do with the validity of his arguments. And since this is a philosophy and religion board not a "let's gossip and spread what scandal we can about people we don't like" board, I suggest that your po-faced, privately sqirming-with-delight revelations could be better posted on the sort of board where readers think that this what "debating" is all about. I think that since you have 'gone public' with your views of Hitchens' behaviour, then your private sins are now fair game. We should be told!! What hideous excesses might you indulge in (do you eat your nailclippings? have you unjustly accused your dog of Manicheanism? do you comb your hair over your baldspot?). We now have a right to know, since it will affect how we judge anything you say! By the way, do you know, for example, ANY 'nice' great artists? FFS we have been idolising Michelangelo's work for years and he was involved in street fighting! Whitewash the Sistine Chapel. You seem not to understand the difference between public and private. If I were to get drunk and rudely insult people in public then I would have no grounds to cite Mr. Hitchens' behavior. Conversely, if Mr. Hitchens gets drunk in the privacy of his own home that is no ones affair. Several years ago, when Rush Limbaugh's drug addiction became public many ridiculed him. Was this right? Did it prove anything at all about his philosophy? Some of his detractors still ridicule him to this day. Both Mr. Limbaugh and Mr. Hitchens are outspoken public figures and it comes with the territory. OswaldTheOsprey |
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« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2007, 09:12:52 AM » |
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Hitchens is a genius. He should have pissed on that stupid ass godiot.
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« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2007, 09:35:01 AM » |
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Hitchens is a genius. He should have pissed on that stupid ass godiot.
Gee, you are so classy!  OswaldTheOsprey |
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« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2007, 09:54:16 AM » |
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Despite his personal vices I agree with him on religion, and hold the completely opposite opinion of his politics.
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« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2007, 10:53:12 AM » |
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Despite his personal vices I agree with him on religion, and hold the completely opposite opinion of his politics.
I pretty much loathe him all the way around, but that is only my opinion. He is, IMHO, part of the loud and crude windbag punditocracy that also includes, Limbaugh, Olbermann, O'Reilly, Hannity, Franken, Coulter, Carville, Begala and others too numerous to mention. OswaldTheOsprey |
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« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2007, 12:54:26 PM » |
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Despite his personal vices I agree with him on religion, and hold the completely opposite opinion of his politics.
I pretty much loathe him all the way around, but that is only my opinion. He is, IMHO, part of the loud and crude windbag punditocracy that also includes, Limbaugh, Olbermann, O'Reilly, Hannity, Franken, Coulter, Carville, Begala and others too numerous to mention. OswaldTheOsprey Luckily I do not have the pleasure of knowing ANY of the names you quote (people exist in other tele-cultures, you know). I've had enough of this. If you can't grasp the point that personal behaviour, public or private, is irrelevant to the truth of ones utterances, you are frankly on the wrong board. Try looking up 'relevance' (and go beyond just a dictionary...). And you get to vote! Wow! |
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« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2007, 01:29:04 PM » |
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Despite his personal vices I agree with him on religion, and hold the completely opposite opinion of his politics.
I pretty much loathe him all the way around, but that is only my opinion. He is, IMHO, part of the loud and crude windbag punditocracy that also includes, Limbaugh, Olbermann, O'Reilly, Hannity, Franken, Coulter, Carville, Begala and others too numerous to mention. OswaldTheOsprey Luckily I do not have the pleasure of knowing ANY of the names you quote (people exist in other tele-cultures, you know). I've had enough of this. If you can't grasp the point that personal behaviour, public or private, is irrelevant to the truth of ones utterances, you are frankly on the wrong board. Try looking up 'relevance' (and go beyond just a dictionary...). And you get to vote! Wow! Why don't you try looking up perception? Yes, you are right that Hitchens' (or any one else's) is does not make their views right or wrong. Having said that, however, such action gives ammunition so to speak to opponents. Being drunk and rude at public events hardly helps one's cause in the public eye. There is an adage that "perception is reality". Yes, I get to vote and I do vote. So wow yourself! OswaldTheOsprey |
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« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2007, 01:32:34 PM » |
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In this particular instance personal information could have relevance, the article suggest Mr. Hitchens does not use truth honestly. imho this is a serious charge against someone trying to prove things using facts. It casts doubt onto his conclusions, not by attacking the presumably good logic used to reach it, but by discrediting the foundations of data those arguments are based on.
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