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« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2007, 11:01:53 AM »
Quote from: OswaldTheOsprey on October 15, 2007, 12:57:08 PM
No. It is dangerously close to saying "Let's have a sane and rational policy instead of sentiment and white liberal guilt and cultural marxism.". Indeed the truth is dangerous.

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Here we go with the old cultural marxism stuff again. No doubt I'm also a Trotskyite Neocon or whatever other names you're tossing around.

It is not sentimental to say that eugenics is morally disgusting. In a eugenically perfect world you or I would not be allowed to exist. Once we kill all the poor black kids in the Bronx us normal (well me anyway) people would be the dangerous ones so our kind would need to be wiped out too.
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« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2007, 11:43:43 AM »
Quote from: IamMe on October 16, 2007, 11:01:53 AM
Quote from: OswaldTheOsprey on October 15, 2007, 12:57:08 PM
No. It is dangerously close to saying "Let's have a sane and rational policy instead of sentiment and white liberal guilt and cultural marxism.". Indeed the truth is dangerous.

OswaldTheOsprey

Here we go with the old cultural marxism stuff again. No doubt I'm also a Trotskyite Neocon or whatever other names you're tossing around.

It is not sentimental to say that eugenics is morally disgusting. In a eugenically perfect world you or I would not be allowed to exist. Once we kill all the poor black kids in the Bronx us normal (well me anyway) people would be the dangerous ones so our kind would need to be wiped out too.

Some of us consider overbreeding (and the resultant crime and poverty) by the stupid, the ignorant, the criminal and the greedy to be morally disgusting. Eugenics is not about "killing black kids". It is about humane and rational planning for a better Motherland.

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« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2007, 11:53:12 AM »
Quote from: OswaldTheOsprey on October 16, 2007, 11:43:43 AM
Quote from: IamMe on October 16, 2007, 11:01:53 AM
Quote from: OswaldTheOsprey on October 15, 2007, 12:57:08 PM
No. It is dangerously close to saying "Let's have a sane and rational policy instead of sentiment and white liberal guilt and cultural marxism.". Indeed the truth is dangerous.

OswaldTheOsprey

Here we go with the old cultural marxism stuff again. No doubt I'm also a Trotskyite Neocon or whatever other names you're tossing around.

It is not sentimental to say that eugenics is morally disgusting. In a eugenically perfect world you or I would not be allowed to exist. Once we kill all the poor black kids in the Bronx us normal (well me anyway) people would be the dangerous ones so our kind would need to be wiped out too.

Some of us consider overbreeding (and the resultant crime and poverty) by the stupid, the ignorant, the criminal and the greedy to be morally disgusting. Eugenics is not about "killing black kids". It is about humane and rational planning for a better Motherland.

OswaldTheOsprey

Yes but eugenics is more than just stopping overpopulation (which I could just about agree with depending on how it is carried out) - it's deliberately selecting a certain class of people and declaring them unfit to breed. Who are you/we/anyone to decide what constitutes a valid life?
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« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2007, 11:56:32 AM »
It's about giving up control of a quite personal part of my life to the public good. Who's good? The greatest good for the greatest number?
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« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2007, 12:41:14 PM »
Quote from: IamMe on October 16, 2007, 11:53:12 AM
Quote from: OswaldTheOsprey on October 16, 2007, 11:43:43 AM
Quote from: IamMe on October 16, 2007, 11:01:53 AM
Quote from: OswaldTheOsprey on October 15, 2007, 12:57:08 PM
No. It is dangerously close to saying "Let's have a sane and rational policy instead of sentiment and white liberal guilt and cultural marxism.". Indeed the truth is dangerous.

OswaldTheOsprey

Here we go with the old cultural marxism stuff again. No doubt I'm also a Trotskyite Neocon or whatever other names you're tossing around.

It is not sentimental to say that eugenics is morally disgusting. In a eugenically perfect world you or I would not be allowed to exist. Once we kill all the poor black kids in the Bronx us normal (well me anyway) people would be the dangerous ones so our kind would need to be wiped out too.

Some of us consider overbreeding (and the resultant crime and poverty) by the stupid, the ignorant, the criminal and the greedy to be morally disgusting. Eugenics is not about "killing black kids". It is about humane and rational planning for a better Motherland.

OswaldTheOsprey

Yes but eugenics is more than just stopping overpopulation (which I could just about agree with depending on how it is carried out) - it's deliberately selecting a certain class of people and declaring them unfit to breed. Who are you/we/anyone to decide what constitutes a valid life?

Decision have to be made and they are not always pleasant. What do you know of Eugenic history? Are you aware that Presidents Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson endorsed the concept as did Margaret Sanger, the great birth control pioneer, H.G. Wells, George Bernard Shaw and other great and notable intellects. One of the problems facing Eugenics today is two loud and ruthless opponents it faces-the politically correct left and the religious right. Hopefully, the days are numbered for both of these arrogant bullies. Hopefully, sane and rational thought will prevail.

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« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2007, 12:59:09 PM »
Quote from: OswaldTheOsprey on October 16, 2007, 12:41:14 PM
Quote from: IamMe on October 16, 2007, 11:53:12 AM
Quote from: OswaldTheOsprey on October 16, 2007, 11:43:43 AM
Quote from: IamMe on October 16, 2007, 11:01:53 AM
Quote from: OswaldTheOsprey on October 15, 2007, 12:57:08 PM
No. It is dangerously close to saying "Let's have a sane and rational policy instead of sentiment and white liberal guilt and cultural marxism.". Indeed the truth is dangerous.

OswaldTheOsprey

Here we go with the old cultural marxism stuff again. No doubt I'm also a Trotskyite Neocon or whatever other names you're tossing around.

It is not sentimental to say that eugenics is morally disgusting. In a eugenically perfect world you or I would not be allowed to exist. Once we kill all the poor black kids in the Bronx us normal (well me anyway) people would be the dangerous ones so our kind would need to be wiped out too.

Some of us consider overbreeding (and the resultant crime and poverty) by the stupid, the ignorant, the criminal and the greedy to be morally disgusting. Eugenics is not about "killing black kids". It is about humane and rational planning for a better Motherland.

OswaldTheOsprey

Yes but eugenics is more than just stopping overpopulation (which I could just about agree with depending on how it is carried out) - it's deliberately selecting a certain class of people and declaring them unfit to breed. Who are you/we/anyone to decide what constitutes a valid life?

Decision have to be made and they are not always pleasant. What do you know of Eugenic history? Are you aware that Presidents Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson endorsed the concept as did Margaret Sanger, the great birth control pioneer, H.G. Wells, George Bernard Shaw and other great and notable intellects. One of the problems facing Eugenics today is two loud and ruthless opponents it faces-the politically correct left and the religious right. Hopefully, the days are numbered for both of these arrogant bullies. Hopefully, sane and rational thought will prevail.

OswaldTheOsprey

Your list doesn't impress me. You didn't answer my question.
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« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2007, 01:24:19 PM »
Quote from: IamMe on October 18, 2007, 12:59:09 PM
Quote from: OswaldTheOsprey on October 16, 2007, 12:41:14 PM
Quote from: IamMe on October 16, 2007, 11:53:12 AM
Quote from: OswaldTheOsprey on October 16, 2007, 11:43:43 AM
Quote from: IamMe on October 16, 2007, 11:01:53 AM
Quote from: OswaldTheOsprey on October 15, 2007, 12:57:08 PM
No. It is dangerously close to saying "Let's have a sane and rational policy instead of sentiment and white liberal guilt and cultural marxism.". Indeed the truth is dangerous.

OswaldTheOsprey

Here we go with the old cultural marxism stuff again. No doubt I'm also a Trotskyite Neocon or whatever other names you're tossing around.

It is not sentimental to say that eugenics is morally disgusting. In a eugenically perfect world you or I would not be allowed to exist. Once we kill all the poor black kids in the Bronx us normal (well me anyway) people would be the dangerous ones so our kind would need to be wiped out too.

Some of us consider overbreeding (and the resultant crime and poverty) by the stupid, the ignorant, the criminal and the greedy to be morally disgusting. Eugenics is not about "killing black kids". It is about humane and rational planning for a better Motherland.

OswaldTheOsprey

Yes but eugenics is more than just stopping overpopulation (which I could just about agree with depending on how it is carried out) - it's deliberately selecting a certain class of people and declaring them unfit to breed. Who are you/we/anyone to decide what constitutes a valid life?

Decision have to be made and they are not always pleasant. What do you know of Eugenic history? Are you aware that Presidents Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson endorsed the concept as did Margaret Sanger, the great birth control pioneer, H.G. Wells, George Bernard Shaw and other great and notable intellects. One of the problems facing Eugenics today is two loud and ruthless opponents it faces-the politically correct left and the religious right. Hopefully, the days are numbered for both of these arrogant bullies. Hopefully, sane and rational thought will prevail.

OswaldTheOsprey

Your list doesn't impress me. You didn't answer my question.

The intelligent and the civilized have the right to make the decisions in re breeding. Uncontrolled breeding, especially by the stupid, the ignorabt, the criminal and the greedy can only worsen our situation.

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