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« Reply #45 on: October 21, 2007, 11:52:38 AM » |
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never seen it coming,,, you got talent
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« Reply #46 on: October 21, 2007, 12:04:38 PM » |
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I always thought it was a little funny to debate which mass murderer is the worst. Is it somehow not as bad to kill 30 million people as it is to kill 29 million?
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« Reply #47 on: October 21, 2007, 12:56:03 PM » |
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if Stalin's murders are questionable Hitler's aren't,,, this is the point
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« Reply #48 on: October 21, 2007, 01:01:36 PM » |
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I always thought it was a little funny to debate which mass murderer is the worst. Is it somehow not as bad to kill 30 million people as it is to kill 29 million?
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« Reply #49 on: October 21, 2007, 01:05:37 PM » |
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The fact that Stalin was responsible for millions of deaths isn't really disputable.
Neither is that fact that Hitler was responsible for millions of deaths.
Both are strong examples of what happens when centralized control and one dimensional thinking go wrong once once they eventually fall into the hands of a mass murderer.
What possible point is there to comparing the relative moral repugnancy of Stalin and Hitler?
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« Reply #50 on: October 21, 2007, 01:12:14 PM » |
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The fact that Stalin was responsible for millions of deaths isn't really disputable.
Neither is that fact that Hitler was responsible for millions of deaths.
Both are strong examples of what happens when centralized control and one dimensional thinking go wrong once once they eventually fall into the hands of a mass murderer.
What possible point is there to comparing the relative moral repugnancy of Stalin and Hitler?
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« Reply #51 on: October 21, 2007, 01:18:07 PM » |
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You don't think it has anything to do with the fact that Stalin was our ally against Hitler?
I'm not saying he was a good guy by this, just that it seems logical for history books to treat our enemies from world war worse than our allies.
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« Reply #52 on: October 21, 2007, 01:51:45 PM » |
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You don't think it has anything to do with the fact that Stalin was our ally against Hitler?
I'm not saying he was a good guy by this, just that it seems logical for history books to treat our enemies from world war worse than our allies.
Stalin, Saddam, the Shah of Iran and other unsavory types have been our "allies" over the years. This is yet another of the fruits of internationalism and interventionism.  OswaldTheOsprey |
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« Reply #53 on: October 21, 2007, 08:16:02 PM » |
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TBH, I was considering putting quotes around "allies", but I feel that I have been overusing them lately. They are appropriate though. I believe Heartland Theory played a major role in the politics of WWI and WWII. It was seen as necessary to put up "buffer states" between Russia and Germany. after WWI. It was hypothesized that the core (Russia, in the heart of the Eurasian landmass) was key to controlling the periphery, and the world. The idea was that the true danger came from the Germans. The Russians were viewed as crude, and not capable (at the time) of exploiting the resources and the geopolitical position of their location. The fear was that the Germans, efficient and calculating, could exploit the resources and position of central Eurasia. It was viewed as necessary at all costs to prevent them from gaining a foothold. The idea was that the Germans would be dangerous to the world in a way the Russians could not. |
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« Reply #54 on: October 21, 2007, 08:22:52 PM » |
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TBH, I was considering putting quotes around "allies", but I feel that I have been overusing them lately. They are appropriate though. I believe Heartland Theory played a major role in the politics of WWI and WWII. It was seen as necessary to put up "buffer states" between Russia and Germany. after WWI. It was hypothesized that the core (Russia, in the heart of the Eurasian landmass) was key to controlling the periphery, and the world. The idea was that the true danger came from the Germans. The Russians were viewed as crude, and not capable (at the time) of exploiting the resources and the geopolitical position of their location. The fear was that the Germans, efficient and calculating, could exploit the resources and position of central Eurasia. It was viewed as necessary at all costs to prevent them from gaining a foothold. The idea was that the Germans would be dangerous to the world in a way the Russians could not. Ah! The great remaking of the world-the greatest of all failures of Versailles! OswaldTheOsprey |
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« Reply #55 on: October 22, 2007, 04:05:37 PM » |
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Disprove what I said.
Are Stalin or Mao responsible for 100 million death during WWII? Stop blabing crap,,, those weren't good guys but nowhere near Hitler,,, you just have no idea what are you on about,,, You limited what you stated (their own people). Stalin in essence helped start WWII WITH Hitler. A mutual pact you might say. Mao killed as many as a 100 million. The two were as bad and as high in numbers as Hitler (though I don't see the 100 million, care to show it?) |
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« Reply #56 on: October 22, 2007, 04:20:02 PM » |
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Disprove what I said.
Are Stalin or Mao responsible for 100 million death during WWII? Stop blabing crap,,, those weren't good guys but nowhere near Hitler,,, you just have no idea what are you on about,,, You limited what you stated (their own people). Stalin in essence helped start WWII WITH Hitler. A mutual pact you might say. Mao killed as many as a 100 million. The two were as bad and as high in numbers as Hitler (though I don't see the 100 million, care to show it?) With figures that high, who is to say one is worse than the other. OswaldTheOsprey |
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« Reply #57 on: October 23, 2007, 10:31:53 AM » |
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You limited what you stated (their own people). Stalin in essence helped start WWII WITH Hitler. A mutual pact you might say. By the same history US won WWII,,, Mao killed as many as a 100 million. The two were as bad and as high in numbers as Hitler (though I don't see the 100 million, care to show it?)
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« Reply #58 on: October 23, 2007, 12:44:43 PM » |
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US did win WWII. Quote from: Baldar on October 22, 2007, 04:05:37 PM
Mao killed as many as a 100 million. The two were as bad and as high in numbers as Hitler (though I don't see the 100 million, care to show it?) care to prove your numbers??? You made the original assertion My proof comes from Mao the untold story. Between 58 and 61 alone 38 million died. I won't even begin discussing the massive deaths caused by the revolution itself, or the other great leaps forward, or the the other small revolutions with the red book. Just wondering where you got the 100 million for hitler, unless of course you are double dipping and discounting stalin's role. |
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« Reply #59 on: October 23, 2007, 02:06:06 PM » |
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The number is actually around 70 million....
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