By the way, universal healthcare and education, it was in place long before che-mart was born.

Hardly seems like a mature response...

Biggest American Hero?

Che Guevara?

He wasn't even American.

What is it with you confusing Argentinians with Americans?

well, just another example of how arrogant, selfcentered and ignorant some us citizens are. let me explain you:

america is the WHOLE continent, its divided in:

a) north america (which includes mexico, USA and canada
b) central america
c) south america.


so all citizens of the american continent are americans.


here in argentina we dont call you americans we call you "estadounidenses" which could be translated as "citizens of the united states"

assume what you want, you are in your right.

i wont try to defend adequately his life here because most people here already made up their mind about the che after decades of US propaganda.

i dont idolize him. i respect what he did. i value that he fought always for the poor and against the powerful.

and i just think that if you call him a murderer you have to do the same with all the world leaders of the history. all of them sent people to die. the last one is bush.

I bet he gets wet over Charles Manson too.

A different approach to Che Guevara. Heroe? No, folks, not at all. Have al ook at the list below




Executed by Che en la Sierra Maestra during fights against Batista (1957-1958 )

1. Aristio - 10-57
2. Manuel Capitán - 1957
3. Juan Chang - 9-57
4. “Bisco” Echevarría Martínez - 8-57
5. Eutimio Guerra - 2-18-57
6. Dionisio Lebrigio - 9-57
7. Juan Lebrigio - 9-57
8. El ” Negro ” Napoles- 2-18-57
9. “Chicho ” Osorio - 1-17-57
10. Un maestro no identificado (“El Maestro”) - 9-57
11-12. Dos hermanos, espías del grupo de Masferrer -9-57
13-14 Dos campesinos no identificados-4-57

Executed or sent to be executed by Che Guevara while in charge of a commando in en Santa Clara ( 1-3 de enero de 1959)

1. Ramón Alba - 1-3-59**
2. José Barroso- 1-59
3. Joaquín Casillas Lumpuy - 1-2-59**
4. Félix Cruz - 1-1-59
5. Alejandro García Olayón - 1-31-59**
6. Héctor Mirabal - 1-59
7. J. Mirabal- 1-59
8. Felix Montano - 1-59
9. Cornelio Rojas - 1-7-59**
10. Vilalla - 1-59
11. Domingo Alvarez Martínez 1-4-59**
12. Cano del Prieto -1-7-59**
13. José Fernández Martínez-1-2-59
14. José Grizel Segura-1-7-59** ( Manacas)
15. Arturo Pérez Pérez-1-24-59**
16. Ricardo Rodríguez Pérez-1-11-59**
17. Francisco Rosell -1-11-59
18. Ignacio Rosell Leyva -1-11-59
19. Antonio Ruíz Beltrán -1-11-59
20. Ramón Santos García-1-12-59
21. Pedro SocarrásS-1-12-59**
22. Manuel Valdés – 1-59
23. Tace José Veláquez -12-59**
** Che firmó la pena de muerte antes de partir de Santa Clara.

Documented executions at Fortaleza de la Cabaña prison (3 de enero al 26 de noviembre del 1959)

1. Vilau Abreu - 7-3-59
2. Humberto Aguiar - 1959
3. Garmán Aguirre - 1959
4. Pelayo Alayón - 2-59
5. José Luis Alfaro Sierra - 7-1-59
6. Pedro Alfaro - 7-25-59
7. Mriano Alonso - 7-1-59
8. José Alvaro - 3-1-59
9. Alvaro Anguieira Suárez – 1-4-59
10. Aniella - 1959
11. Mario Ares Polo- 1-2-59
12. José Ramón Bacallao - 12-23-59**
13. Severino Barrios - 12-9-59**
14. Eugenio Bécquer - 9-29-59
15. Francisco Bécquer - 7-2-59
16. Ramón Biscet– 7-5-59
17. Roberto Calzadilla - 1959
18. Eufemio Cano - 4-59
19. Juan Capote Fiallo - 5-1-59
20. Antonio Carralero - 2-4-59
21. Gertrudis Castellanos - 5-7-59
22. José Castaño Quevedo - 3-6-59.
23. Raúl Castaño - 5-30-59
24. Eufemio Chala - 12-16-59**
25. José Chamace - 10-15-59
26. José Chamizo - 3-59
27. Raúl Clausell - 1-28-59
28. Angel Clausell - 1-18-59
29. Demetrio Clausell - 1-2-59
30. José Clausell-1-29-59
31. Eloy Contreras- 1-18-59
32. Alberto Corbo - 12-7-59**
33. Emilio Cruz Pérez - 12-7-59**
34. Orestes Cruz – 1959
35. Adalberto Cuevas – 7-2-59**
36. Cuni - 1959
37. Antonio de Beche - 1-5-59
38. Mateo Delgado-12-4-59
39. Armando Delgado - 1-29-59
40. Ramón Despaigne - 1959
41. José Díaz Cabezas 7-30-59
42. Fidel Díaz Marquina – 4-9-59
43. Antonio Duarte - 7-2-59
44. Ramón Fernández Ojeda - 5-29-59
45. Rudy Fernández - 7-30-59
46. Ferrán Alfonso - 1-12-59
47. Salvador Ferrero - 6-29-59
48. Victor Figueredo - 1-59
49. Eduardo Forte - 3-20-59
50. Ugarde Galán - 1959
51. Rafael García Muñiz - 1-20-59
52. Adalberto García 6-6-59
53. Alberto García - 6-6-59
54. Jacinto García - 9-8-59
55. Evelio Gaspar - 12-4-59**
56. Armada Gil y Diez y Diez Cabezas- 12-4-59**
57. José González Malagón - 7-2-59
58. Evaristo Benerio González - 11-14-59
59. Ezequiel González-59
60. Secundino González - 1959
61. Ricardo Luis Grao – 2-3-59
62. Ricardo José Grau - 7-59
63. Oscar Guerra – 3-9-59
64. Julián Hernádez -2-9-59
65. Francisco Hernández Leyva – 4-15-59
66. Antonio Hernández - 2-14-59
67. Gerardo Hernández - 7-26-59
68. Olegario Hernández - 4-23-59
69. Secundino Hernández - 1-59
70. Rodolfo Hernández Falcón – 1-9-59
71. Raúl Herrera -2-18-59
72. Jesús Insua-7-30-59
73. Enrique Izquierdo- 7-3-- 59
74. Silvino Junco – 11-15-59
75. Enrique La Rosa- 1959
76. Bonifacio Lasaparla- 1959
77. Jesús Lazo Otaño -1959
78. Ariel Lima Lago – 8-1-59- (Menor)
79. René López Vidal -7-3-59
80. Armando Mas – 2-17-59
81. Ornelio Mata- 1-30-59
82. Evelio Mata Rodriguez- 2-8-59
83. Elpidio Mederos -1-9-59
84. José Medina -5-17-59
85. José Mesa 7-23-59
86. Fidel Mesquía Díaz 7-11-59
87. Juan Manuel Milián - 1959
88. Jose Milián Pérez – 4-3-59
89. Francisco Mirabal – 5-29-59
90. Luis Mirabal - 1959
91. Ernesto Morales - 1959
92. Pedro Morejón – 3-59
93. Carlos Muñoz M.D.- 1959
94. César Nicolardes Rojas- 1-7-59
95. Víctor Nicolardes Rojas- 1-7-59
96. José Nuñez – 3-59
97. Viterbo O’Reilly – 2-27-59
98. Félix Oviedo – 7-21-59
99. Manuel Paneque – 8-16-59
100. Pedro Pedroso – 12-1-59**
101. Diego Pérez Cuesta - 1959
102. Juan Pérez Hernández – 5-29-59
103. Diego Pérez Crela - 4-3-59
104. José Pozo – 1-59
105. Emilio Puebla – 4-30-59
106. Alfredo Pupo – 5-29-59
107. Secundino Ramírez – 4-2-59
108. Ramón Ramos - 4-23-59
109. Pablo Ravelo Jr. – 9-15-59
110. Rubén Rey Alberola – 2-27-59
111. Mario Risquelme – 1-29-59
112. Fernando Rivera – 10-8-59
113. Pablo Rivero- 5-59
114. Manuel Rodríguez – 3-1-59
115. Marcos Rodríguez -7-31-59
116. Nemesio Rodríguez – 7-30-59
117. Pablo Rodriguez – 10-1-59
118. Ricardo Rodriguez – 5-29-59
119. Olegario Rodriguez Fernández-4-23-59
120. José Saldara – 11-9-59
121. Pedro Santana – 2-59
122. Sergio Sierra – 1-9-59
123. Juan Silva – 8-59
124. Fausto Silva – 1-29-59
125. Elpidio Soler- 11-8-59
126. Jseús Sosa Blanco – 2-8-59
127. Renato Sosa- 6-28-59
128. Sergio Sosa – 8-20-59
129. Pedro Soto – 3-20-59
130. Oscar Suárez – 4-30-59
131. Rafael Tarrago – 2-18-59
132. Teodoro Tellez Cisneros- 1-3-59
133. Francisco Tellez-1-3-59
134. José Tin- 1-12-59
135. Francisco Travieso -1959
136. Leonrardo Trujillo – 2-27-59
137. Trujillo - 1959
138. Lupe Valdéz Barbosa – 3-22-59
139. Marcelino Valdéz – 7-21-59
140. Antonio Valentín – 3-22-59
141. Manuel Vázquez-3-22-59
142. Sergio Vázquez-5-29-59
143. Verdecia - 1959
144. Dámaso Zayas -7-23-59
145. José Alvarado -4-22-59
146. Leonoardo Baró- 1-12-59
147. Raúl Concepción Lima - 1959
148. Eladio Caro – 1-4-59
149. Carpintor - 1959
150. Carlos Corvo Martíenz - 1959
151. Juan Guillermo Cossío - 1959
152. Corporal Ortega – 7-11-59
153. Juan Manuel Prieto - 1959
154. Antonio Valdéz Mena – 5-11-59
155. Esteban Lastra – 1-59
156. Juan Felipe Cruz Serafín-6-59**
157. Bonifacio Grasso – 7-59
158. Feliciano Almenares – 12-8-59
159. Antonio Blanco Navarro – 12-10-59**
160. Albeto Carola – 6-5-59
161. Evaristo Guerra- 2-8-59
162. Cristobal Martínez – 1-16-59
163. Pedro Rodríguez – 1-10-59
164. Francisco Trujillo- 2-18-59

So I guess there is a lot of mythology regarding Ernesto "Che Guevara"

Saludos

Aww man I missed out on all of the fun in this thread. All I have to say is that I produbly wear my Che shirt:


I will say I got a few dirty looks on my college campus.... But that just makes the shirt more enjoyable.