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“A silver mine!" "The guys had stacked up their tools because they were going to be back the next spring to mine more silver, only the snow never went,” he says. “There used to be less ice than now. It’s just getting back to normal.”Just the opinion of some AGW kook you say? Reid A. Bryson holds the 30th PhD in Meteorology granted in the history of American education. Emeritus Professor and founding chairman of the University of Wisconsin Department of Meteorology—now the Department of Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences—in the 1970s he became the first director of what’s now the UW’s Gaylord Nelson Institute of Environmental Studies. He’s a member of the United Nations Global 500 Roll of Honor—created, the U.N. says, to recognize “outstanding achievements in the protection and improvement of the environment.” He has authored five books and more than 230 other publications and was identified by the British Institute of Geographers as the most frequently cited climatologist in the world.WECN May 2007He was asked to contribute to the University of Colorado Climate Science Blog: "Remember Otzi, the Ice Man? The fellow that was found in the mountains between Austria and Italy a few years ago? He had been shot a little over 5000 years ago, and then covered with snow, and more snow, until a few years ago the snow melted back enough for Otzi to be found. Between his burial under snow and his exhumation by nature there was more snow and ice than before, or now. Are we just getting back to what the snow climate used to be?"UC Climate Science BlogI am curious how long it will be before his credentials and integrity are targeted for destruction by the GW lobbyist. Some have already started because he was around during the "Global Cooling" era of the early 70's...some will take his words out of context. "To the layman, the relatively small changes in temperature and sunshine can be highly misleading. Reid Bryson of the University of Wisconsin points out that the Earth’s average temperature during the great Ice Ages was only about seven degrees lower than during its warmest eras – and that the present decline has taken the planet about a sixth of the way toward the Ice Age average. Others regard the cooling as a reversion to the “little ice age” conditions that brought bitter winters to much of Europe and northern America between 1600 and 1900 – years when the Thames used to freeze so solidly that Londoners roasted oxen on the ice and when iceboats sailed the Hudson River almost as far south as New York City."The Cooling World from "Newsweek 1975"Doesn't sound like a "Global Cooling" alarmist to me.
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« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2007, 02:04:33 PM » |
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« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2007, 02:09:35 PM » |
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Local is not global. Are the theories relating to receding glaciers based on "global" warming or phenomena...or "local" warming or phenomena? |
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« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2007, 02:01:18 AM » |
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Local is not global. Are the theories relating to receding glaciers based on "global" warming or phenomena...or "local" warming or phenomena? On a global scale, glaciers are receding and the overall mass of glacier ice is shrinking. That's the observed fact. |
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« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2007, 05:37:19 AM » |
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Local is not global. Are the theories relating to receding glaciers based on "global" warming or phenomena...or "local" warming or phenomena? On a global scale, glaciers are receding and the overall mass of glacier ice is shrinking. That's the observed fact. I don't see how your reply is relevant...no one said the glaciers weren't receding globally...just that they are going BACK to were they once were. |
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« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2007, 08:07:11 PM » |
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He missed the point.
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« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2007, 07:52:29 PM » |
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Local is not global. It is and it isn't. Burn a bunch of plutonium, and it affects the whole world, even if you did it locally. |
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« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2007, 12:46:55 AM » |
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Local is not global. Are the theories relating to receding glaciers based on "global" warming or phenomena...or "local" warming or phenomena? On a global scale, glaciers are receding and the overall mass of glacier ice is shrinking. That's the observed fact. I don't see how your reply is relevant...no one said the glaciers weren't receding globally...just that they are going BACK to were they once were. In some valleys in the Alps... I am still wondering what you really mean. You really mean that if glaciers were smaller some time ago then it's OK they recede? Or that "warmer is better"? About what way to dismiss that we're tuned to certain weather patterns and changes in them may jeopardize our water supplies and food production are you talking about? |
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« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2007, 06:29:46 AM » |
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Apparently these "weather patterns" have happened before in our history, without the so called man made effect of greenhouse gasses.
That is the point he is making. How can we know it isn't happening again if we cannot know the causes earlier?
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« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2007, 09:12:49 AM » |
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Apparently these "weather patterns" have happened before in our history, without the so called man made effect of greenhouse gasses.
That is the point he is making. How can we know it isn't happening again if we cannot know the causes earlier?
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« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2007, 10:04:00 AM » |
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How is it "quite poor"?
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« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2007, 10:16:15 AM » |
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Global warming doesn't matter except to the extent that it will affect life -- ours and that of all living things on Earth. And contrary to the latest news, the evidence that global warming will have serious effects on life is thin. Most evidence suggests the contrary, says Daniel B. Botkin, president of the Center for the Study of the Environment and professor emeritus in the Department of Ecology, Evolution, and Marine Biology at the University of California, Santa Barbara.
Case in point:
This year's United Nations report on climate change and other documents say that 20 percent to 30 percent of plant and animal species will be threatened with extinction in this century due to global warming -- a truly terrifying thought.
Yet, during the past 2.5 million years, a period that scientists now know experienced climatic changes as rapid and as warm as modern climatological models suggest will happen to us, almost none of the millions of species on Earth went extinct.
The exceptions were about 20 species of large mammals (the famous megafauna of the last ice age -- saber-tooth tigers, hairy mammoths and the like), which went extinct about 10,000 to 5,000 years ago at the end of the last ice age, and many dominant trees and shrubs of northwestern Europe.
But elsewhere, including North America, few plant species went extinct, and few mammals.
We're also warned that tropical diseases are going to spread, and that we can expect malaria and encephalitis epidemics, says Botkin. But scientific papers by Prof. Sarah Randolph of Oxford University show that temperature changes do not correlate well with changes in the distribution or frequency of these diseases; warming has not broadened their distribution and is highly unlikely to do so in the future, global warming or not.
Source: Daniel B. Botkin, "Global Warming Delusions," Wall Street Journal, October 17, 2007. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119258265537661384.htmlhttp://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=15149 |
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