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« Reply #30 on: October 19, 2007, 11:41:05 AM » |
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I always find it interesting to wander into the P&R forum, so many varying people and points of view, so much passion. We're so much alike in so many ways as we debate the existence or lack there of, of a God.
Yes it's comical in some ways as it always seems to boil down to
God ~ as in the Christian version of God
Agnostic &
Atheism
we don't seem to spend much time discussing other religions, it's always where you sit in the field.
Are you in God's court, or the Atheism court OR are you on the fence meaning you haven't decided but really you have because by not deciding there is a God it means you have chosen the other camp, whether you believe it or not.
And for what it's worth it NEVER EVER EVER seems to matter what the topic title is as it will always be the same people and it will always boil down to the same thing. A new spin of words but essentially they are the same.
So really then if it's always the same then why the debate? Have you found some new information? Are you wanting new information? hhhmmm that would mean you would actually be looking for knowledge, yet that I have hardly seen in these parts. It's all seems to boil down to your freedom of speech. It all boils down to what you think you need to say to back your stance (it doesn't matter what camp you belong to as you're all the same). Like you have a right to share even when people don't want that they are looking for something new.
I have to wonder if ever someone will actually sit back and take in what they read, meditate on it for a bit before they spew their pre recorded response. I some how doubt this. I so wish that we as a mature and educated people would take in what others have to say and consider it before they actually react.
Just my thought. So why are you here I ask? Is it for knowledge and understanding or is it for your right to share whatever you please regardless of what others have to say about it?
What's the purpose of any debate tara? Should we just close down IAP because people are debating rather than 'meditating' on other people's POV? For me, the purpose of debating here is to test my beliefs against other people's ideas as well as just for the sake of debating. |
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« Reply #31 on: October 19, 2007, 12:31:02 PM » |
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I always find it interesting to wander into the P&R forum, so many varying people and points of view, so much passion. We're so much alike in so many ways as we debate the existence or lack there of, of a God.
Yes it's comical in some ways as it always seems to boil down to
God ~ as in the Christian version of God
Agnostic &
Atheism
we don't seem to spend much time discussing other religions, it's always where you sit in the field.
Are you in God's court, or the Atheism court OR are you on the fence meaning you haven't decided but really you have because by not deciding there is a God it means you have chosen the other camp, whether you believe it or not.
And for what it's worth it NEVER EVER EVER seems to matter what the topic title is as it will always be the same people and it will always boil down to the same thing. A new spin of words but essentially they are the same.
So really then if it's always the same then why the debate? Have you found some new information? Are you wanting new information? hhhmmm that would mean you would actually be looking for knowledge, yet that I have hardly seen in these parts. It's all seems to boil down to your freedom of speech. It all boils down to what you think you need to say to back your stance (it doesn't matter what camp you belong to as you're all the same). Like you have a right to share even when people don't want that they are looking for something new.
I have to wonder if ever someone will actually sit back and take in what they read, meditate on it for a bit before they spew their pre recorded response. I some how doubt this. I so wish that we as a mature and educated people would take in what others have to say and consider it before they actually react.
Just my thought. So why are you here I ask? Is it for knowledge and understanding or is it for your right to share whatever you please regardless of what others have to say about it?
What's the purpose of any debate tara? Should we just close down IAP because people are debating rather than 'meditating' on other people's POV? For me, the purpose of debating here is to test my beliefs against other people's ideas as well as just for the sake of debating. the purpose of a debate is to state your facts and make them believable (I suck at debating) I think a healthy debate is good. Yet here there is nothing healthy about the debate b/c they are not debating facts they are attacking ideas. If they want to debate then good on you, but where is a good debate here? Specifically here in the P&R forum. Where are the facts to back your claims? IamMe I like your reasoning for as to why you debate or share or whatever. |
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« Reply #32 on: October 19, 2007, 12:45:04 PM » |
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I always find it interesting to wander into the P&R forum, so many varying people and points of view, so much passion. We're so much alike in so many ways as we debate the existence or lack there of, of a God.
Yes it's comical in some ways as it always seems to boil down to
God ~ as in the Christian version of God
Agnostic &
Atheism
we don't seem to spend much time discussing other religions, it's always where you sit in the field.
Are you in God's court, or the Atheism court OR are you on the fence meaning you haven't decided but really you have because by not deciding there is a God it means you have chosen the other camp, whether you believe it or not.
And for what it's worth it NEVER EVER EVER seems to matter what the topic title is as it will always be the same people and it will always boil down to the same thing. A new spin of words but essentially they are the same.
So really then if it's always the same then why the debate? Have you found some new information? Are you wanting new information? hhhmmm that would mean you would actually be looking for knowledge, yet that I have hardly seen in these parts. It's all seems to boil down to your freedom of speech. It all boils down to what you think you need to say to back your stance (it doesn't matter what camp you belong to as you're all the same). Like you have a right to share even when people don't want that they are looking for something new.
I have to wonder if ever someone will actually sit back and take in what they read, meditate on it for a bit before they spew their pre recorded response. I some how doubt this. I so wish that we as a mature and educated people would take in what others have to say and consider it before they actually react.
Just my thought. So why are you here I ask? Is it for knowledge and understanding or is it for your right to share whatever you please regardless of what others have to say about it?
What's the purpose of any debate tara? Should we just close down IAP because people are debating rather than 'meditating' on other people's POV? For me, the purpose of debating here is to test my beliefs against other people's ideas as well as just for the sake of debating. the purpose of a debate is to state your facts and make them believable (I suck at debating) I think a healthy debate is good. Yet here there is nothing healthy about the debate b/c they are not debating facts they are attacking ideas. If they want to debate then good on you, but where is a good debate here? Specifically here in the P&R forum. Debates aren't always about facts. The best ones are always about ideas. Where are the facts to back your claims?
My claim? What's my claim? that there's no evidence to support the existence of God. The evidence would be the absence of evidence. IamMe I like your reasoning for as to why you debate or share or whatever.
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« Reply #33 on: October 19, 2007, 01:03:06 PM » |
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oh sorry my comment about facts wasn't directed at you it was directed at this forum (P&R specific)
I was just frustrated with it all.
I suppose you're correct in your debate of ideas and of course P&R would be more so a debate of ideas.
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« Reply #34 on: October 19, 2007, 05:51:56 PM » |
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And what happens when someone says their ideas are actually facts and the only facts acceptable?
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« Reply #35 on: October 19, 2007, 07:38:10 PM » |
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« Reply #36 on: October 19, 2007, 08:16:52 PM » |
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« Reply #37 on: October 20, 2007, 10:48:29 AM » |
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And what happens when someone says their ideas are actually facts and the only facts acceptable?
Then you have a religion. |
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« Reply #38 on: October 20, 2007, 11:40:43 AM » |
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D9 the P&R section of IAP is not for doing battle. Actually none of IAP is for battling. It's a forum built for discussions. Battling and fighting is against our posting rules and guidelines and you know that D9 so if that is something you would like to do here I can happily show you the door.
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« Reply #39 on: October 20, 2007, 12:38:07 PM » |
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And what happens when someone says their ideas are actually facts and the only facts acceptable?
then I personally would want to have proof inorder to back these so called facts |
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« Reply #40 on: October 20, 2007, 12:40:51 PM » |
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And what happens when someone says their ideas are actually facts and the only facts acceptable?
then I personally would want to have proof inorder to back these so called facts What about faith? |
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« Reply #41 on: October 20, 2007, 12:55:51 PM » |
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And what happens when someone says their ideas are actually facts and the only facts acceptable?
then I personally would want to have proof inorder to back these so called facts What about faith? can you have facts for faith? there are no facts for love, it's just a feeling. Truth is we all have faith, where we chose to use and direct our faith is a different story. But when I drive I have faith that those in the other lane aren't gonna cross over the double yellow and hit me. I have faith that when I am out walking someone isn't gonna run me over. But can I really base my beliefs on faith and faith alone? By that logic one could potentially state that those who are atheist or agnostic also have a level of faith to believe what they would. Or are you saying that faith is only for those that believe that there is a God and a bible and Jesus? |
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« Reply #42 on: October 20, 2007, 02:12:29 PM » |
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But can I really base my beliefs on faith and faith alone? By that logic one could potentially state that those who are atheist or agnostic also have a level of faith to believe what they would.
Or are you saying that faith is only for those that believe that there is a God and a bible and Jesus? For more on "beliefs"...I would refer you to the "Atheism: the real beef" thread. |
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« Reply #43 on: October 20, 2007, 07:36:29 PM » |
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there are some people who feel change is heresy. that change is evil. some people feel that a 2000 year old book tells them that u are a mouthpiece for Satan when u suggest we open our minds to anything but their version of god.
try having a conversation with them and see if u can have a fruitful end to it.
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