kactus
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« on: October 18, 2007, 05:54:05 AM » |
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This proves where US "really" stand on mass murder and genocides. Or it could be argued that if this bill was passed Turkey and US's military cooperation would have been over, thus Iran would have benefited from the situation. But now, it seems US will do anything to make Iran -in their view- suffer is isolation. http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=27533§ionid=3510203 |
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CedarPride
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« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2007, 11:26:21 AM » |
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It would have been better if the subject was never approached.
The outcome of this event is very bad for the US image, not that it can sink any lower.
It would have been understandable if the issue had been dropped because there was disagreement as to whether or not it had actually happened, but the argument was always that it should be dropped because it harms the US-Turkish relations, meaning that the American administration is worse than holocaust deniers, because the latters actually believe it didn't happen.
And I don't think it is about Iran. The Armenian holocaust happened almost 100 years ago. The issue goes longer than the situation with Iran, and is more related to the Jews monopolizing the holocaust scene, and the Turkish-Israeli relations. Moshe was always right about everything he wrote about the Zionism and the Ottomans and Ataturk during the Armenian massacres.
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Middle East forum 101 I committed the cardinal sin in the ME region of actually trying to post something relevant to the thread topic. |
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14-years-old-jane
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« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2007, 11:40:53 AM » |
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finally you sound like a true Arab!!! congrats,,,
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CedarPride
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« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2007, 11:49:37 AM » |
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finally you sound like a true Arab!!! congrats,,,
What would I sound like if I started denying the Jewish Holocaust because it doesn't suit me to acknowledge it? |
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Middle East forum 101 I committed the cardinal sin in the ME region of actually trying to post something relevant to the thread topic. |
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« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2007, 12:10:18 PM » |
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and the lesson learnt is: be tougher with Americans, threaten some response, especially if there are US bases on your soil. Americans pursue their moralizing discourse only as far as no real political consequences are involved. When there is political prices attached to moral moves, Americans back off. Well, no big new, but Turkey has shown how exactly the thing is done.
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a big pile of bs covered with a thick layer of sugar
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14-years-old-jane
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« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2007, 12:18:20 PM » |
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What would I sound like if I started denying the Jewish Holocaust because it doesn't suit me to acknowledge it?
like you already sound just using this other way around |
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Mugabes my hero
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« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2007, 03:17:20 AM » |
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Im startled that Turkey is only being confronted about this right now, the Armenian genocide happened in 1913!
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\"Moral clarity is frequently clouded by an unrelenting stream of micro-information from various sources on nearly every subject known to mankind.\"
-Ray Gattavara
\"All religions begin with a revolt against morality, and perish when morality conquers them.\"
-George Bernard Shaw
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gomper7
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« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2007, 09:23:33 AM » |
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welcome to politics in a democracy, it is not pretty. Sometimes issues get raised as moral issues to use as a political chip against ones opponents, and then dropped when the political winds shift the other way. The US has not monopoly on it, I assure you.
As Churchill said, (and I am paraphrasing) "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others that man has tried from time to time"
In a less representative government, it is easier to make a moral statement, consequences and hurt feelings be damned, and say "You guys did a very very bad thing 100 years ago". On the other hand, in a less representative form of government, it is also easier to do bad things, like say marching thousands upon thousands of citizens to their deaths in the desert and calling it a "relocation program".
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« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2007, 09:29:27 AM » |
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Shouldn't they have labeled it a genocide (that's obviously what it was) back in like 1918 or something?
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Otto
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« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2007, 09:50:08 PM » |
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Shouldn't they have labeled it a genocide (that's obviously what it was) back in like 1918 or something?
Word "genocide" did not exist in 1918. It was created after WW2. "Massacres" maybe. We prefere it to be called that way, because it was not aiming total extermination of Armenians. Nothing happened to Armenians living in the areas far from the Russian-Ottoman border. They still live here in Istanbul. |
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