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Author Topic: how to save the world maybe  (Read 317 times)
lavisod
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« on: October 29, 2007, 09:36:28 PM »

my dream of building a particaptory society is based on grassroots organizing through volunteering. I have planned out how this new spiritual society could replace consumerism and capitalism. We wouldn't need money, private property, or representative politics. We could create a direct democracy using the internet and give communities the control over the land. Imagine a internet based democracy where everyone can deliver the next presidential speech. This new utopia would grow their own food in gardens. Remember God gave us a Garden in the begining. If we want to save the world we must perserve it. Capitalism seeks to exploit and profit of it and us. We are in desperate need now of a drastic driven harmonious intervention. Are you willing to save the world or stop mass extinction from occuring as it has unchecked. Remember that you must start low to climb a mountain. We must begin all over again in the garden.

your skepticism and cynicism are a result of being disenfrancised from the political system. Lets face it, only the elite can run for high office. Well dont you think a direct democracy could empower us and renew the creative spirit of the American people? Why do you think its ok to bash an alternative to capitalism and consumerism as if the worlds not being destroyed by blind arrogance and ignorance? A utopia could work and it has to work if we make a transparent government than all can equally particapate in. We have to get rid of private property so that the land can be optimally managed by consensus from those that live there. With this plan, is not a condition of slave wagery or the creation of false identities with consumer goods. Instead we would start a realtionship with the plant kingdom and animal kingdom by praying and loving our plants. Here is something we havent tried and it could systematically remove hatred and war from the forfront of society forever. why live in a system based on competition when we can actually cooperate and let love be the guiding force?

i have pointed out that the cause of our problems is this being a man made world. the solution is simple; end capitalism and consumerism and replace it with a particapatory society based on volunteerism. Begin a new relationship with nature that will teach us how emotionally intellengent she really is. Are we forgetting that god created the plant and animal kingdoms? nature is much more emotionally intelligent than we are. Nature isn't unconcious, its concious. Only by loving nature will we begin to see less mental health problems and less global warming. The clean technologies are already designed, it just takes money to spend us there. Wouldn't u rather get rid of money altogether, and as an empowered society, use volunteer groups to manufacture all the clean technology our society needs? With a cause as great as saving the world, millions will work hard to get us there. We are the generation that was born to solve these problems. The elite are hellbent on making things worse. So lets get rid of elite control, create a direct democracy and begin in the garden as Adam and Eve.
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« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2007, 10:19:54 PM »

Do you believe in rainbows with pots of gold and unicorns?
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« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2007, 09:34:47 AM »

Do you believe in rainbows with pots of gold and unicorns?

More likely LSD rainbows, with pots full of Maui gold.
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« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2007, 01:53:44 PM »

if this is a politcal forum, than why do you doubt the sincerity of my conviction? i am simply offering you the best form of democracy ever imagined.  it involves a think tank and a volunteer organization network.  the best ideas and inititatives are selfless, of for and by the people. therefor they recieve the most smiles which count as votes and sit ontop of the totum pole of information.  there are lots of ways to filter and organize the information so optimally search and create in this democracy. the best part is we become empowered participants and not just observers. how much longer are you going to wait as the elite make war through out the world and profit tremendously off of it.  the military industrial complex is the only valuable american product to the rest of the world.  wake up you tards. drugs are bad.
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« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2007, 07:05:24 PM »

i have pointed out that the cause of our problems is this being a man made world. the solution is simple; end capitalism and consumerism and replace it with a particapatory society based on volunteerism.
Is Capitalism not a volunteer based system? Applying for a job and choosing to purchase products are all voluntary acts. People are also free to join a political party and vote if they wish.
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« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2007, 07:42:15 PM »

In a magical world, where every garden is a wifi hotspot...


Somehow running direct democracy over the internet doesn't really seem like a good way to make important decisions.

One effect I see from this is that the poorer of the working class will be disenfranchised more. People who can't access the internet from home will have a greater likelihood of not getting the chance to vote. I also see security being an issue here.
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« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2007, 08:35:36 AM »

The fallacy of this vision is that it makes the assumption that everyone is equally educated, skilled and able.  Everyone is not equally educated, skilled or able.  As long as there are deviants from your ideal it just won't work because it involves inclusion and cooperation when many are not mentally or physically capable of doing so or even being able to understand so.
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