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Author Topic: A Myriad of Evidence AGAINST Vaccines.  (Read 2899 times)
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« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2007, 07:14:44 AM »

Just a few found in WiKi:

Polio: In 1977 there were 254,000 persons living in the United States who had been paralyzed by polio.[77] According to doctors and local polio support groups, some 40,000 polio survivors with varying degrees of paralysis live in Germany, 30,000 in Japan, 24,000 in France, 16,000 in Australia, 12,000 in Canada and 12,000 in the United Kingdom.[76]

Mumps: * 31 January 2007: 6404 cases of mumps in 2006 compared to 314 in 2005. As of today, YTD 15 deaths in the United States were reported.[7]

Measles: According to the World Health Organization (WHO), measles is a leading cause of vaccine preventable childhood mortality. Worldwide, the fatality rate has been significantly reduced by partners in the Measles Initiative: the American Red Cross, the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the United Nations Foundation, UNICEF and the World Health Organization (WHO). Globally, measles deaths are down 60 percent, from an estimated 873,000 deaths in 1999 to 345,000 in 2005. Africa has seen the most success, with annual measles deaths falling by 75 percent in just 5 years, from an estimated 506,000 to 126,000.[9]

There was a pandemic of rubella between 1962 and 1965, starting in Europe and spreading to the United States.[7] In the years 1964-65, the United States had an estimated 12.5 million rubella cases. This led to 11,000 miscarriages or therapeutic abortions and 20,000 cases of congenital rubella syndrome. Of these, 2,100 died as neonates, 12,000 were deaf, 3,580 were blind and 1,800 were mentally retarded. In New York alone, CRS affected 1% of all births.[8]

Diphtheria: is a serious disease, with fatality rates between 5% and 10%. In children under 5 years and adults over 40 years, the fatality rate may be as much as 20%.[3] Outbreaks, though very rare, still occur worldwide, even in developed nations. After the breakup of the former Soviet Union in the late 1980s, vaccination rates in its constituent countries fell so low that there was an explosion of diphtheria cases. In 1991 there were 2,000 cases of diphtheria in the USSR. By 1998, according to Red Cross estimates, there were as many as 200,000 cases in the Commonwealth of Independent States, with 5,000 deaths. This was so great an increase that diphtheria was cited in the Guinness Book of World Records as "most resurgent disease".......

In the 1920s there were an estimated 100,000 to 200,000 cases of diphtheria per year in the United States, causing 13,000 to 15,000 deaths.[3] Children represented a large majority of these cases and fatalities. One of the most famous outbreaks of diphtheria was in Nome, Alaska; the trip made to get the antitoxin is now celebrated by the Iditarod Trail Sled Dog Race.

Tetanus: particularly the neonatal form, remains a significant public health problem in non-industrialized countries. There are about one million cases of tetanus reported worldwide, causing an estimated 300,000 to 500,000 deaths each year.[2]

Pertussis: Worldwide, there are 30–50 million pertussis cases and about 300,000 deaths per year. Despite generally high coverage with the DTP and DTaP vaccines, pertussis is one of the leading causes of vaccine-preventable deaths world-wide.

Flu: spreads around the world in seasonal epidemics, killing millions of people in pandemic years and hundreds of thousands in non-pandemic years. Three influenza pandemics occurred in the 20th century and killed tens of millions of people, with each of these pandemics being caused by the appearance of a new strain of the virus in humans. Often, these new strains result from the spread of an existing flu virus to humans from other animal species.

The posts showing the infection rates and the introduction of vaccines is not appearing for me.

http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/publicat/ccdr-rmtc/97vol23/23s4/23s4g_e.html

It seems to be showing that the numbers on the diseases you mention, were on the trend toward obsoletion before the vaccine was introduced.

In Canada, with measles for example, shows that the measles was on the decline far before the introduction of the vaccine.  In fact, if you look at the curve, you would be unable to tell that a vaccine had been introduced at all.  Same with mumps, Hib, polio, rubella, and tentnus.

And again, European country's that do NOT vaccinate as well as groups of people here in the US that do NOT vaccinate, show absolutely no increase in infection rates of these vaccinated diseases, nor do they have to deal with sicknesses like autism.  In fact, the lowest infection rates are from countries that do NOT vaccinate.  Please, watch the video.

Is it possible that the reason people don't get these diseases anymore and the reason they don't die from them when they do get them, is because medicine has come a long way since 1930, as have our cleaning habits, or hygiene habits, and our development of services like water on tap.

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« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2007, 07:22:48 AM »

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Children do NOT need to build up a toloerance to monkey blood, mercury, lead, formaldahyde, or any of the other toxic and carcinogenic substances being injected into these kids.
You probably have a point with the more esoteric ones.

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Further, the Omish do not vaccinate their children.  They do NOT have a higher infection rate of diseases that the US vaccinates against than the average US city against diseases being vaccinate against, nor do they have a single case os autism in their community.
But they live smack-dab in the middle of an entire continent of people who do. Should there be a polio or serious measles outbreak you would immediately see a problem with this. There is no outbreak because people take their vaccines.

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And you obviously did NOT watch the video either to learn that the US is NOT the world leader in prevention of the diseases we vaccinate against.

No I didnt, and Im not likely to ever click another inforwars link again, sorry, but I have seen the effects on children in Africa who did not get a meningitis vaccine. There was no video.


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« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2007, 08:31:48 AM »



No I didnt, and Im not likely to ever click another inforwars link again, sorry, but I have seen the effects on children in Africa who did not get a meningitis vaccine. There was no video.


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The video I am refering to is NOT an infowars link.  It is a youtube one.

In it, you would see the Australian studies done that show countries like Switzerland that do NOT vaccinate their children have lower disease rates than the border countries that do. 

And we do every once in a while get an outbreak of a disease that we do vaccinate against.  I said the Omish have ZERO autism, NOT zero disease.  They get it too, every once in a while, at about the exact same rate as the average US city, per capita.  They get it and it spreads no more, no less, as agressive in those communities.  So, when an outbreak does occure, the vaccined kids of our country fair no better, no worse than unvaccinated Omish.  It would seem that if we are going to put all sorts of weird crap into our children, you would think, that we would do a little better than the unvaccinated group, right?

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« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2007, 11:05:48 AM »

Some great posts FREEINTX.

Keep them coming.

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« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2007, 11:54:35 AM »

I understand the criticism, and I agree that putting mercury in human bodies is a bad idea. You need to look at the big picture though. The ill effect of the vaccines would be far outweighed by epidemic outbreak of disease(like the ones we've largely prevented through vaccination).

No one said life is perfect. Usually, the best thing we can hope for is the lesser of two evils. In this case, "monkey blood, mercury, lead, formaldahyde". If those things are going to prevent polio (just to name one) outbreak, the measures are well worth the ill effect.

The sane answer to this, is not to shun vaccination (medical ludditism is a good description here), but to advocate development of better vaccines, and less harmful preservatives for those vaccines.
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« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2007, 12:03:31 PM »

The sane answer to this, is not to shun vaccination (medical ludditism is a good description here), but to advocate development of better vaccines, and less harmful preservatives for those vaccines.

It would be the best option.

But in real world vaccines bring almost no profit per dose, while production of antibodies, antibiotics and antiviral drugs is a lucrative business. Not to mention that these drugs have even more side effects.
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« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2007, 12:14:36 PM »

The sane answer to this, is not to shun vaccination (medical ludditism is a good description here), but to advocate development of better vaccines, and less harmful preservatives for those vaccines.

It would be the best option.

But in real world vaccines bring almost no profit per dose, while production of antibodies, antibiotics and antiviral drugs is a lucrative business. Not to mention that these drugs have even more side effects.


That's very true, it's saddening how sickness and economics interact.

Still, and I think very few would disagree here, I'll take the monkey blood over the polio any day.
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« Reply #22 on: October 21, 2007, 12:23:09 PM »

In it, you would see the Australian studies done that show countries like Switzerland that do NOT vaccinate their children have lower disease rates than the border countries that do.


I guess the WHO numbers for 2005-2006 are lies?

-DTP1(First dose of diphtheria toxoid, tetanus toxoid and pertussis vaccine)= 94%

-DTP3(Third dose of diphtheria toxoid, tetanus toxoid and pertussis vaccine= 95%

-HepB3 (Third dose of hepatitis B vaccine)= 63%
                   
-Hib3(Third dose of Haemophilus influenzae type B vaccine)= 92%

-MCV(Measles-containing vaccine)= 86%                       

-MCV2(Measles-containing vaccine 2nd dose)= 70%

-Pol3(Third dose of polio vaccine)= 94%                             
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I said the Omish have ZERO autism, NOT zero disease.

How much testing for Autism goes on in Amish communities?

I think they are a very private community that has minimal contact with us outsiders.
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« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2007, 12:29:19 PM »

In it, you would see the Australian studies done that show countries like Switzerland that do NOT vaccinate their children have lower disease rates than the border countries that do.

BS.

http://www.eurosurveillance.org/ew/2003/030605.asp

recent outbreaks of measles in Switzerland are a consequence of the insufficient and patchy vaccination coverage

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MMR (measles, mumps, and rubella) vaccination campaign was launched in 1987.
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« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2007, 12:46:40 PM »


The video I am refering to is NOT an infowars link.  It is a youtube one.

Well just to save Ahk sitting down and wading through 1.5 hours of an amateur video, I will make some points about it.

1)It was made in 1998, so its not exactly breaking news.

2)Features some 'doctors' and 'patients' being interviewed about vaccine effects. They may be authentic cases, I am not sure, but you can make any type of point you want in a video depending upon who you interview.

3)It was made by Bronwyn Hancock, an australian anti vaccine campaigner, so its not exactly an unbiased report.

Bronwyn Hancock, is always in the news here, for her extremist views on vaccines.

For example, she has this view that vaccines are causing baby shaking syndrome(where a parent shakes a baby so hard, they cause brain damage or die).

This is Bronwyn Hancock talking about baby shaking syndrome.

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In relation to your concern over the possibility of including parents who are guilty, it is important to be aware that evidence so far indicates that NO-ONE is guilty of shaken baby syndrome. Not only is there is no evidence to date that shaking a baby will cause those injuries, but researchers have tried to reproduce the so-called "indicative" injuries in monkeys by shaking them WITHOUT SUCCESS. So don't be taken in by ANY of their propoganda.


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Babies seem to be designed to be able to take lots of movements - perhaps this is in part nature's design because they cannot protect themselves from them. How many times have babies fallen off tables, cried for a little while and then been right as rain as if nothing had ever happened? Babies would also bob up and down a lot getting carried by running mothers.

Now,this is causing much angst in Australia, because people who are being charged with shaking babies to death, are using her crap on her website as a defence, with some being acquitted.

http://www.vaccination.inoz.com/
http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/history/2003/07july.htm

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In it, you would see the Australian studies done that show countries like Switzerland that do NOT vaccinate their children have lower disease rates than the border countries that do.

Any links for this study Free, besides the video? 

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« Reply #25 on: October 21, 2007, 01:15:01 PM »


if you watch any part of this, watch this one.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8610554679207090010&hl=en-GB

Doctor after doctor telling you how these things kill kids, make them sick, given them the very diseases they are designed to protect against, and create a whole host of new diseases, sicknesses, and mental retardations, and do things to your children that are simply obscene. 



This is the entire list of 'doctors' in the 1998 video.

Robyn Cosford - Fellow of the Aust. College of Nutritional & Environmental Medicine

Mark Donohoe - Fellow of the Aust. Society of Environmental Medicine

Issaac Golden - homoeopathic practitioners.He is principal of the Australian College of Hahnemannian Homoeopathy

Archie Kalokorinos - Health officer of Aboriginal's

Veira Schieber -  doctorate in Natural Sciences.

Pauline Rose - Pauline Rose is a consultant with post graduate training in Tropical Medicine, and Environmental Medicine.

Peter Baratosy - Dipl. Clinical Hypnotherapy,

Ian Sinclair - Australian natural health lecturer


And that is the entire list. Not to say that these people arn't intelligent, qualified or interesting authorities. But they are ALL practise in natural medicine.Of course they are going to slam vaccines when asked. By doing so, they are promoting their own industry and inturn their own business. There is not one traditional doctor amongst them.

I can believe that there are cases where vaccines have caused damage to children. And I keep an open mind about these kinds of things.

But, two points:

1)Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, and abandon vaccines whilst researching how we can vaccinate with less side effects.

2)Try and show some independent medical enquiry into, eg independent medical study into vaccines, not natural medicine practitioners or anti vaccine campaigners who have a vested interest in condemning vaccines.
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« Reply #26 on: October 21, 2007, 01:20:14 PM »

Peter Baratosy - Dipl. Clinical Hypnotherapy

Hmm, sounds familiar.

Where have I heard about this before? 
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« Reply #27 on: October 21, 2007, 01:27:54 PM »

Oooops, I forgot to add the link


http://www.vaccination.inoz.com/speakerprofiles.html
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« Reply #28 on: October 21, 2007, 04:12:02 PM »

Does anyone have the statistics for the number of children harmed each by vaccines in the US?

ANYONE?
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« Reply #29 on: October 21, 2007, 04:48:34 PM »


The vaccines are NOT doing more good than harm.  These vaccines are killing our children, rotting their brain, making them stupid, destroying their free will, and their ability to live independantly of a government controlled state.

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Study tries to allay worries about children's vaccine risks / Research finds no link between preservative and problems in brainsBy JUDITH GRAHAM
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CHICAGO - For years, parents have worried that a mercury-based preservative in vaccines may have caused subtle developmental or neurological problems in their children. Now, a paper in this week's New England Journal of Medicine says those concerns are unfounded.

The study concludes there is no connection between infants' exposure to the preservative, thimerosal, and their IQ or their language, memory and fine motor skills later in childhood.

"These are very reassuring findings," said Dr. Anne Schuchat, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases.

The mercury-based additive was eliminated from most U.S. childhood vaccines in 2001, but it's still used in some types of flu vaccines and in vaccines distributed internationally.

For the study, researchers evaluated 1,047 children age 7 to 10 by calculating their level of exposure to thimerosal in infancy and administering a battery of tests

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http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/archive.mpl?id=2007_4431942
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