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Author Topic: What is the spirit of Christianity? What life lessons can we learn?  (Read 209 times)
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« on: October 20, 2007, 01:43:26 PM »

IMO, most of the P & R section is spent arguing whether god exists or not, or spent trying to interpret texts written centuries ago.

For laws written many years ago, I tend to look at the 'spirit of the law' ,ie what the lawmakers were trying to achieve when writing it. Simiarly with religions, the majority created centuries ago, I try to look at what the religion was trying to achieve.

So, what was Jesus trying to achieve with his teachings? What life lessons was he trying to convey to people, that could be carried forward into todays society?

In other words, what is the spirit of christianity? What can we(christians and non christians alike) learn from christian themes?

Two positive themes that I associate with christianity, which may or may not be correct.

1)The power of forgiveness

2)Love thy neighbour


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« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2007, 02:24:59 PM »

Two positive themes that I associate with christianity, which may or may not be correct.

1)The power of forgiveness

2)Love thy neighbour

I think you may find these themes in some of the other major religions...

Christianity is differentiated from the other religions with regards to accepting Christ being the path to Heaven....as far as "messages" of faith, hope and charity...I do not think they rest with Christianity alone.

A question that may elicit more responses would be:

So, what do the major religions achieve with their teachings? What life lessons do they convey to people, that could be carried forward into todays society?

In other words, what is the spirit of religion? What can we(religionists and non-religionists alike) learn from religious themes?
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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2007, 05:08:02 PM »


A big part of a lot of major religions is to control women in one way or another.  In other words, the man is in charge. Muslims are particularly bad about this.  Christians also do but its more subtle.

We all know that the spirt of a lot of major religions is to be anti homosexual.

I don't find that Christianity has anything to "teach" that isn't common sense.  Jesus sure as hell didn't invent the golden rule.  The first five of the ten commandments are about god. The last five are nothing special.

I live my life better than most christians I know.   I don't steal, don't cheat on my wife, don't hurt anyone.   I donate to charity.  I donate my time.  I help people and ask for nothing in return.  I'm generous with my money.  I "honor" my parents and the rest of my family.  I work and support myself and pay my taxes. The list goes on.   

I do all these things as an atheist.  I do them because I want to and not because I'm trying to get into heaven or because I'm following some religious rules.  I'm not cheating on my wife because I'm scared I'll go to hell or because the bible tells me not to. 

Many Christians I know are acting totally in their own self interest.  Trying to get that ticket to heaven.  I don't need religion to be a good person.  I don't need a 2000 year old book full of silly stories to get by in life. I don't need Jesus to forgive me for my "sins".   I've already accomplished more in my life than any Christian I've ever met.  Its not all that hard if you don't waste a bunch of time trying to please an imaginary sky friend.

Whats funny is that all of the biggest scum bags I've ever met have been Christian.  Apparently they didn't learn a whole lot from the "lessons" in the buybul.  Or maybe they learned that jesus will forgive them for their sins.  It's ok that some dude beats the crap out of his wife, he's a sinner. `God still loves him.  Just believe in jesus and pray for forgiveness.

Remember its never too late to take jesus into your life.  Maybe thats why 90% of the men on death row are Christian or become Christian.  Like I said, they're in it for their own self interest.

The negatives of religion far outweigh any positive effects.  Even if some of them are genuinely good people, they've still wasted a bunch of their life worshiping an imaginary friend.  Our lives are too precious to waste on such silly things.  I know all too well.
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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2007, 05:58:11 PM »


A big part of a lot of major religions is to control women in one way or another.  In other words, the man is in charge. Muslims are particularly bad about this.  Christians also do but its more subtle.

From my experience, this has lessened with time. I am not sure how USA, but Christianity in Australia is pretty modernised and adapts to technology and societal attitudes. The view of women being good for cooking, cleaning and giving birth are way outdated, in society and in many of the churches as well.

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We all know that the spirt of a lot of major religions is to be anti homosexual

Fair point.

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I don't find that Christianity has anything to "teach" that isn't common sense
True, but sometimes it is good to have a guiding hand towards good behaviour and loving thy neighbour.

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I live my life better than most christians I know.   I don't steal, don't cheat on my wife, don't hurt anyone.   I donate to charity.  I donate my time.  I help people and ask for nothing in return.  I'm generous with my money.  I "honor" my parents and the rest of my family.  I work and support myself and pay my taxes. The list goes on.   

I do all these things as an atheist.

Thats a good post Smiley. I am not religious and I adopt the same life mantra as what you mentioned  

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Many Christians I know are acting totally in their own self interest.  Trying to get that ticket to heaven.  I don't need religion to be a good person.  I don't need a 2000 year old book full of silly stories to get by in life. I don't need Jesus to forgive me for my "sins".   

Certainly some christians would have this mentality, but I can't help thinking D9 that you are tarring all christians will the same brush. I guess it is all about personal experience. The majority of christians I have met and are friends with, don't fall into the description of christians that you portray.

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Whats funny is that all of the biggest scum bags I've ever met have been Christian.  Apparently they didn't learn a whole lot from the "lessons" in the buybul.  Or maybe they learned that jesus will forgive them for their sins.  It's ok that some dude beats the crap out of his wife, he's a sinner. `God still loves him.  Just believe in jesus and pray for forgiveness.

Generally life has taught me that there is good and bad in every race, religion, colour and creed. Certainly the idea that all christians are good and do good deeds is not true. You only have to look through the history of IAP to see this. But there are many many christians in this world who are wonderful people and who I trust implicitly in all facets of human behaviour. I just don't think it is accurate to try and tar all christians with the same brush.

As said before, I believe that there is good and bad in every religion or belief pattern. No one has yet to convince me otherwise.

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Maybe thats why 90% of the men on death row are Christian or become Christian.  Like I said, they're in it for their own self interest.

I tended to have similiar thoughts about prisoners who convert to religion just before being executed. I guess you can't blame them though.

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The negatives of religion far outweigh any positive effects.  Even if some of them are genuinely good people, they've still wasted a bunch of their life worshiping an imaginary friend.  Our lives are too precious to waste on such silly things.  I know all too well

Many people waste lives on silly things. Its why I don;t spend a great deal of time worrying about what other people believe in, and trying to convince them they are wrong.  Smiley

BTW good coherent post D9. You argued your points well. Thanks for that.
 

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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2007, 07:30:44 PM »

the two comcepts you offered are pre-christian.
imo, xianity has one goal: save yourself.  all other aspects of xianity are subordinate to this. 
love thy enemy? why? because god wants you to and he will judge u favorably when u die.
forgive? why? because u want to go to heaven, right?
all morals are subject to the will of god in xianity. you don't do good deeds because it right, u do them to save your skin.
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« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2007, 07:57:57 AM »

the two comcepts you offered are pre-christian.
imo, xianity has one goal: save yourself.  all other aspects of xianity are subordinate to this. 
love thy enemy? why? because god wants you to and he will judge u favorably when u die.
forgive? why? because u want to go to heaven, right?
all morals are subject to the will of god in xianity. you don't do good deeds because it right, u do them to save your skin.

My bible teaches that Christians are to follow these principles out of love, honor and respect for God.  Scripture teaches that these things are meaningless if done for personal or selfish reasons.  These acts are not prerequisites for salvation.  They will not cause one to be judged favorably, and they will not earn you a ticket to heaven.

Can I presume it is fair game for me to describe your motivations too?
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« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2007, 06:23:00 PM »

The spirit of Christianity? Well since I don't want to start a big argument and since I think you mean the positive elements I will only speak of the positive elements.

The positive elements of christianity are...
1)Its emphasis on forgiveness
2)Be your brothers keeper (love they neighbour as thyself)
3)Emphasis on the family and community
4)Obeying the laws given(Give to Caesar what is Caesars give to God what is Gods)
5)Give to the poor and less fortunate

Many of the other sermons of christ were pretty good to, though I wouldn't base my life on them.
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