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« Reply #30 on: October 24, 2007, 03:26:45 PM » |
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But no one is saying that social equality or ethics are actual physical objects. Have you run into the assertion that god or ideas are physical objects? What is God if not a physical object? "What is God" is an interesting question. Have you run into the assertion that god or ideas are physical objects? Perhaps I was imprecise with my language. In order for God to exist he/she/it/they must exist outside of the human mind and the world of memes. It must exist apart from human society. What is your material evidence in support of this assertion? Also what other kind of objects are there apart from physical ones?
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« Reply #31 on: October 25, 2007, 06:10:47 PM » |
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It is troubling that I should even have to mention this.
Inflammatory, disrespectful and uncivil references to Silver Lining with intent to harm will be promptly deleted. There is no acceptable decent and civil rationale for attacking the memory of a former member who cannot personally respond to attacks against his character...or attacks referencing him or his memory as some sort of "weapon" against another.
The deleted posts from this thread reside in the Moderator area for reference.
I decided not to Inferno them because this will not be allowed to continue here or anywhere else on the Forum.
DO NOT use this thread to continue the subject of the deleted posts or why they were deleted.
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« Reply #32 on: October 25, 2007, 06:51:14 PM » |
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I've read enough of your posts to know you are a religious bigot. On the bright side, at least you aren't as bad as Barney or D9. Also, we are all bigots in some way to some degree. /shrug. You asked.  I don't see why you put Barney in the same camp as me. In my opinion I'm way more intolerant than he is. For example, I hate you simple because you're a religious fundamentalist. I don't think Barney hates you. I don't hate you so much that I wish for you to die but if you did I wouldn't really care. I don't view your life as being worth all that much. If you were drowning in a pool I'd probably jump in and save you. Call me all the names you want, I could care less. |
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« Reply #33 on: October 25, 2007, 07:06:39 PM » |
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And get your clothes wet? It could take minutes for them to dry! You may want to err on the side of caution. After all, you might have a phone number written in water soluable ink in your pocket...
(Just joking, jimp, though I think D9 is right, I am less adamant about theists because I have a soft spot. I was one and appreciate a good myth-story every now and then. However, I don't think he's a bigot since he accepts other views than his own - just not irrational ones.)
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« Reply #34 on: October 26, 2007, 05:09:02 AM » |
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Since this remains, I presume it is fair to comment. It just happens that most religious concept lack any evidentiary support.
And this shows the special pleading of demanding material evidence for religious concepts, while not requiring it of other concepts. We likely share some idea about the social equality or ethics that have no evidentiary support in our five senses, but can be part of a coherent overall view. I am sorry that this is going to be a digression from the topic. There is no special pleading involved here. A number of religious concepts concern an interraction with the material. The demand in this case for material evidnce or at least an account of why it should not be required are perfectly valid. Personal insults, innuendo and denigration is expected. A sensible reply is not. Where a demonstration of certainty is demanded for the idea of God, but materialist assertions and beliefs are accepted on faith there is indeed a special pleading. Your expectations are your business. In future, if there is anything you prefer not to discuss, keep it to yourself. |
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« Reply #35 on: October 26, 2007, 05:18:46 AM » |
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I don't see why you put Barney in the same camp as me.
You're in Barney's camp as Chester is in Spikes camp.  Chester's the little one. You're Chester.........just to clarify. |
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« Reply #36 on: October 26, 2007, 07:03:55 AM » |
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« Reply #37 on: October 26, 2007, 09:40:53 AM » |
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If you have a comment or question, PM me.
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« Reply #38 on: October 26, 2007, 10:51:08 AM » |
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I don't see why you put Barney in the same camp as me.
You're in Barney's camp as Chester is in Spikes camp. Chester's the little one. You're Chester.........just to clarify. Fine with me. I have no where near the amount of knowledge on religion as Barney does. Even if I did, I still can't write as well as he can. On the other hand, I can destroy you so you're no one to talk. |
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« Reply #39 on: October 26, 2007, 11:08:11 AM » |
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« Reply #40 on: October 26, 2007, 11:36:48 AM » |
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I don't see why you put Barney in the same camp as me.
You're in Barney's camp as Chester is in Spikes camp. Chester's the little one. You're Chester.........just to clarify. Fine with me. I have no where near the amount of knowledge on religion as Barney does. Even if I did, I still can't write as well as he can. On the other hand, I can destroy you so you're no one to talk. Are you aware that you just admitted to being Barney's sidekick? If Barney were a bully (which he isn't though some people seem to think he is) you'd be the little nerdy kid who hangs around with him for protection and does all his homework. Sad. EDIT: BTW you are a bigot and the rest of us get tarred with the same boat. |
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« Reply #41 on: October 26, 2007, 11:44:37 AM » |
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But no one is saying that social equality or ethics are actual physical objects. Have you run into the assertion that god or ideas are physical objects? What is God if not a physical object? "What is God" is an interesting question. Have you run into the assertion that god or ideas are physical objects? Perhaps I was imprecise with my language. In order for God to exist he/she/it/they must exist outside of the human mind and the world of memes. It must exist apart from human society. What is your material evidence in support of this assertion? What?! What the hell are you talking about. If you are saying that God exists only as an idea/meme then that's fine. So do unicorns. Also what other kind of objects are there apart from physical ones?
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« Reply #42 on: October 26, 2007, 11:48:52 AM » |
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As we've discussed before, ideas are non-material.
Yes. So far as I recall you kept repeating the same argument from ignorance that I kept destroying. I thought you were a bit slow at the time. You appear to have become a legend in your own mind. Since you bring it up, you position on materialism does literally spring from an argument from ignorance - That because there appears to be a lack of evidence for one hypothesis, another chosen hypothesis is therefore considered proven. I wouldn't say that assuming I am slow because you don't understand a position makes you a bigot, but it isn't a praiseworthy quality either. |
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« Reply #43 on: October 26, 2007, 12:06:15 PM » |
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As we've discussed before, ideas are non-material.
Yes. So far as I recall you kept repeating the same argument from ignorance that I kept destroying. I thought you were a bit slow at the time. You appear to have become a legend in your own mind. It was my Baldar impression. Did you like it? Since you bring it up, you position on materialism does literally spring from an argument from ignorance - That because there appears to be a lack of evidence for one hypothesis, another chosen hypothesis is therefore considered proven.
And your position on materialism appears to be based on a straw man. I don't have any positive belief in materialism; I just see no evidence for anything other than material. I wouldn't say that assuming I am slow because you don't understand a position makes you a bigot, but it isn't a praiseworthy quality either.
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« Reply #44 on: October 26, 2007, 12:19:30 PM » |
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I'm just being honest. I later realized you are not.
Feel free to identify any dishonesty you perceived. If you do not substantiate the assertion, a reader can fairly conclude that you chose it as a cheap out. Since you bring it up, you position on materialism does literally spring from an argument from ignorance - That because there appears to be a lack of evidence for one hypothesis, another chosen hypothesis is therefore considered proven.
And your position on materialism appears to be based on a straw man. I don't have any positive belief in materialism; I just see no evidence for anything other than material. The agnostic retreat? The problem with that is that your position on materialism remains, even after you claim to have no positive belief in materialism, yet see no evidence for anything other than material. So I've not offered a strawman. Of course you do see exactly that sort of evidence daily. You entertain ideas for which you have no material explanation. Knowing that you've been challenged in the past to provide that explanation, and that you've never been able to do it, and that encounter evidence of the non-material daily, yet continuing to deny that, demonstrates something reprehensible, if not bigotry. That said, I can understand seeing your prejudices as bigotry. The most recent example would be, Phelps et al follow(ed) the Bible to the letter.
- Mother Teresa was quite the mean spirited hag, wasn't she?
- Rev. William Booth (founded The Salvation Army) No goodness or kindness in that heart.
- Rev. Edgar J. Helms (founded GoodWill) ditto.
didn't see them picketing funerals.
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