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« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2007, 01:00:52 PM » |
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It just happens that most religious concept lack any evidentiary support.
And this shows the special pleading of demanding material evidence for religious concepts, while not requiring it of other concepts. We likely share some idea about the social equality or ethics that have no evidentiary support in our five senses, but can be part of a coherent overall view. If you are genuinely worried about whether you are a bigot, I wouldn't spend too much time on it. The worst ones never contemplate the possibility. |
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« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2007, 01:12:22 PM » |
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In my few jousts with you, I have not found you bigoted. Your thread on phony liberals reveals you to be open minded, IMHO. Definitely not the sign of a bigot.
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« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2007, 02:01:52 PM » |
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It just happens that most religious concept lack any evidentiary support.
And this shows the special pleading of demanding material evidence for religious concepts, while not requiring it of other concepts. We likely share some idea about the social equality or ethics that have no evidentiary support in our five senses, but can be part of a coherent overall view. I agree that alot of physicalists assume the physical and do not put their own critiques to their own philosophy. They forget that they are because they think they are. Just a correction, their are nine senses.  |
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« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2007, 02:35:01 PM » |
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I agree with JIMP that we are all bigoted in some ways.
As for you, IamMe, I'm sure that you have been involved in some form of bigotry at some point or another (we all have), but I would not define you as a bigot. Doesn't really fit the pattern of what I see from your posts, which is generally open-minded.
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« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2007, 06:04:03 PM » |
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A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own. mmmmmmmmm I wouldn't say that is completely you If you see someone carrying a Bible, having a cross around thier neckls, maybe a fish on thier car, do you automatically class them as morons? And I am asking seriously here. If you DO, then you are a bigot. Just as a person who sees a large black man on the street and wonders if they will harm you is a bigot. |
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« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2007, 06:29:20 PM » |
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A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own. mmmmmmmmm I wouldn't say that is completely you If you see someone carrying a Bible, having a cross around thier neckls, maybe a fish on thier car, do you automatically class them as morons? And I am asking seriously here. If you DO, then you are a bigot. Just as a person who sees a large black man on the street and wonders if they will harm you is a bigot. Great analogy. Bigotry takes many forms. OswaldTheOsprey |
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« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2007, 07:14:11 PM » |
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No, you are not a bigot. A bigot is a person who hates a group, person, or think with an irrational prejudice or for no sound reason. Disliking, disrespecting a concept, idea is not bigotry. The problem here is that some people like to throw the term about when someone doesn't speak in the friendly tone they like or pay lip service to their beliefs or give faux respect it doesn't deserve.
No one would call someone a bigot if he hated fascists or Fascism. But if you dislike Christianity, then all of the sudden...you are a bigot. No one pleads that you respect "Communism." I don't see people calling others who claim Communism is bad are "bigots." The irony is in the double-standard. Religions, like Christianity, are fond of putting themselves on a pedestal for special pleading. What's ok for other ideologies, ideas, isn't ok for them, regardless of how valid the criticism is, simply because one must pay respect to them by convention.
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« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2007, 08:02:15 PM » |
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Which is why I asked my intital question Tech.
I do not know enough about IamMe well enough to know if he (is hates too srtong a word?) chrisitianity, or chrsitians.
If he hates chrsitianity as a concept, a beleief. Then No I would say he is not a bigot.
But once that DIslike(?) tranfers to christians then he becomes a bigot. Unfortunatly it is human nature to allow that tranference.
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« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2007, 12:52:41 PM » |
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It just happens that most religious concept lack any evidentiary support.
And this shows the special pleading of demanding material evidence for religious concepts, while not requiring it of other concepts. We likely share some idea about the social equality or ethics that have no evidentiary support in our five senses, but can be part of a coherent overall view. But no one is saying that social equality or ethics are actual physical objects. They are memes. If you are genuinely worried about whether you are a bigot, I wouldn't spend too much time on it. The worst ones never contemplate the possibility.
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« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2007, 01:01:57 PM » |
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A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own. mmmmmmmmm I wouldn't say that is completely you If you see someone carrying a Bible, having a cross around thier neckls, maybe a fish on thier car, do you automatically class them as morons? Not at all. The other day at school we had a debate (in debate club) about whether or not priests (catholic) should marry. There was this one German exchange student who was clearly very intelligent, his English was near perfect. But he was clearly quite religious. At one point in the debate he actually took a Bible out of his pocket. I didn't think he was stupid. I thought: "This guy's religious. I better be careful what I say in my own speech." |
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« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2007, 01:09:11 PM » |
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It just happens that most religious concept lack any evidentiary support.
And this shows the special pleading of demanding material evidence for religious concepts, while not requiring it of other concepts. We likely share some idea about the social equality or ethics that have no evidentiary support in our five senses, but can be part of a coherent overall view. I am sorry that this is going to be a digression from the topic. There is no special pleading involved here. A number of religious concepts concern an interraction with the material. The demand in this case for material evidnce or at least an account of why it should not be required are perfectly valid. Personal insults, innuendo and denigration is expected. A sensible reply is not. |
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« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2007, 01:22:49 PM » |
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But no one is saying that social equality or ethics are actual physical objects. Have you run into the assertion that god or ideas are physical objects? The demand in this case for material evidnce or at least an account of why it should not be required are perfectly valid.
A demand for material evidence for non-material phenomena is not valid, and involve special pleading when accompanied by assertions for which no material evidence is offered. Personal insults, innuendo and denigration is expected. A sensible reply is not.
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« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2007, 01:29:45 PM » |
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But no one is saying that social equality or ethics are actual physical objects. Have you run into the assertion that god or ideas are physical objects? What is God if not a physical object? |
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« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2007, 01:34:48 PM » |
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But no one is saying that social equality or ethics are actual physical objects. Have you run into the assertion that god or ideas are physical objects? What is God if not a physical object? "What is God" is an interesting question. Have you run into the assertion that god or ideas are physical objects? |
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« Reply #29 on: October 24, 2007, 01:44:18 PM » |
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But no one is saying that social equality or ethics are actual physical objects. Have you run into the assertion that god or ideas are physical objects? What is God if not a physical object? "What is God" is an interesting question. Have you run into the assertion that god or ideas are physical objects? Perhaps I was imprecise with my language. In order for God to exist he/she/it/they must exist outside of the human mind and the world of memes. It must exist apart from human society. Also what other kind of objects are there apart from physical ones? |
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