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« Reply #60 on: October 27, 2007, 01:38:33 PM » |
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2.DOH, why not debate topics instead of simply dealing in ad hom's? D9 asked why you & he were in the same camp. I used an illustration, a parallel, to answer the question. That's not an ad hom. This has been happening a lot lately. Zuk, baldar, you, etc.. have all refused to debate topics and simply attacked people.
Refused? You're mistaken. I've been debating you in the "respecting beliefs" thread. That shows no refusal. From now on, I'll keep in mind, your distaste for ad homs & treat you with the same grace & courtesy you & D9 have shown Christians on this board, both currently & from the days at IAP 1.0. ADDRESS THE TOPICS!!!!!!! What topic? Is the OP(I am me) a bigot? I don't know enough about him to state one way or another. That's why I clicked "who are you?" as my answer. I said "Topics" as in Plural: all the topics. All the ones in this thread or other threads. I am simply trying to get people to talk about the issue rather than attacking people personally which just shows a lack of ability for the person attacking to address the issue. Or, in my case, its funny.  |
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« Reply #61 on: October 28, 2007, 01:39:43 PM » |
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This of course is false. IamMe has demanded "proof" for God on numerous occasions.
Not in the mathematical 100% logical certainty sense. I am of course aware that that is not possible. I just want sufficient evidence in order to conclude that God most likely exists. |
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« Reply #62 on: October 28, 2007, 01:55:52 PM » |
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This of course is false. IamMe has demanded "proof" for God on numerous occasions.
Not in the mathematical 100% logical certainty sense. I am of course aware that that is not possible. I just want sufficient evidence in order to conclude that God most likely exists. Zuki and I both understand that. In this context, Zuki's objection holds (granting him the same latitude you have now requested) and so does the fact that you ask for a special pleading. |
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« Reply #63 on: October 28, 2007, 02:02:10 PM » |
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This of course is false. IamMe has demanded "proof" for God on numerous occasions.
Not in the mathematical 100% logical certainty sense. I am of course aware that that is not possible. I just want sufficient evidence in order to conclude that God most likely exists. Zuki and I both understand that. In this context, Zuki's objection holds (granting him the same latitude you have now requested) and so does the fact that you ask for a special pleading. How? |
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« Reply #64 on: October 28, 2007, 02:03:11 PM » |
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« Reply #65 on: October 28, 2007, 02:08:32 PM » |
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This of course is false. IamMe has demanded "proof" for God on numerous occasions.
Not in the mathematical 100% logical certainty sense. I am of course aware that that is not possible. I just want sufficient evidence in order to conclude that God most likely exists. Zuki and I both understand that. In this context, Zuki's objection holds (granting him the same latitude you have now requested) and so does the fact that you ask for a special pleading. How? Because you don't just want sufficient evidence in order to conclude that the only practical alternative, materialism most likely is correct. |
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« Reply #66 on: October 28, 2007, 02:22:26 PM » |
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This of course is false. IamMe has demanded "proof" for God on numerous occasions.
Not in the mathematical 100% logical certainty sense. I am of course aware that that is not possible. I just want sufficient evidence in order to conclude that God most likely exists. Zuki and I both understand that. In this context, Zuki's objection holds (granting him the same latitude you have now requested) and so does the fact that you ask for a special pleading. How? Because you don't just want sufficient evidence in order to conclude that the only practical alternative, materialism most likely is correct. I'm not a materialist. It's just there isn't sufficient evidence to conclude that any specific type of non-material anything exists - never mind the fact that no definition of what non-material things even are exists (I asked zukiphile for one but so far he hasn't given me anything). |
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« Reply #67 on: October 28, 2007, 05:51:50 PM » |
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Then you do just want sufficient evidence in order to conclude that either materialism or the existence of God most likely is correct. Does this accurately reflect your perspective?
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« Reply #68 on: October 29, 2007, 12:55:08 PM » |
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Then you do just want sufficient evidence in order to conclude that either materialism or the existence of God most likely is correct. Does this accurately reflect your perspective?
Yes, though I'm obviously open to evidence for any other metaphysical claim as well. |
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« Reply #69 on: October 30, 2007, 04:14:03 AM » |
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When one converses with you and reads your posts one gets a very different impression. Are people defined by how they act or what they claim to be, or some of both?
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« Reply #70 on: October 31, 2007, 11:17:13 AM » |
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When one converses with you and reads your posts one gets a very different impression. Are people defined by how they act or what they claim to be, or some of both?
Well, you must take into account that you are not reading that as an objective observer. Your own opinions/beliefs (it seems to me) make you think that anyone who cannot see 'the truth' must be deliberately avoiding the truth. |
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« Reply #71 on: October 31, 2007, 04:06:03 PM » |
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When one converses with you and reads your posts one gets a very different impression. Are people defined by how they act or what they claim to be, or some of both?
Well, you must take into account that you are not reading that as an objective observer. Your own opinions/beliefs (it seems to me) make you think that anyone who cannot see 'the truth' must be deliberately avoiding the truth. On these points you cannot see the 'truth'. I only look for those who don't seem to see it as an open question. |
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« Reply #72 on: November 02, 2007, 11:18:09 AM » |
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I only look for those who don't seem to see it as an open question.
Do you think that's me? |
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« Reply #73 on: November 02, 2007, 03:15:37 PM » |
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« Reply #74 on: November 03, 2007, 09:23:28 AM » |
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I'm not a materialist. It's just there isn't sufficient evidence to conclude that any specific type of non-material anything exists - never mind the fact that no definition of what non-material things even are exists (I asked zukiphile for one but so far he hasn't given me anything).
You’ve received the following. You confuse explanation and cause. That would be an easy error for an idiot. What is your excuse? A non-material thing would be one that isn't material. A material object would exist independent of perception.
Super. Not sure how this truism helps. Then why did you ask for it? I didn't. You should pay more attention to what you write. Also, could you please define what non-material things are? I asked what they are not what they are not. Since you accept as a truism that a material object is that which would exist independent of perception, it should not strain you unduly to conclude that a non-material object is one that does not exist independent of perception. Damn I didn't notice the 'tag'.
Where a demonstration of certainty is demanded for the idea of God, but materialist assertions and beliefs are accepted on faith there is indeed a special pleading.
No demonstration of certainty is demanded. This of course is false. IamMe has demanded "proof" for God on numerous occasions. Not in this sub-thread. I am simply responding to your mate's comment that "And this shows the special pleading of demanding material evidence for religious concepts". Keep up, Reasond Faith. The observation was not limited to this thread. Read, Callum. |
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