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« Reply #75 on: November 04, 2007, 01:30:34 PM »


Since you accept as a  truism that a material object is that which  would exist independent of perception, it should not strain you unduly to conclude that a non-material object is one that does not exist independent of perception.

Well, really the truism part referred to the bit when you said "A non-material thing would be one that isn't material".

Even so, you still haven't old me what non-material objects are - just what they are not.
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« Reply #76 on: November 04, 2007, 02:18:34 PM »


Since you accept as a  truism that a material object is that which  would exist independent of perception, it should not strain you unduly to conclude that a non-material object is one that does not exist independent of perception.

Well, really the truism part referred to the bit when you said "A non-material thing would be one that isn't material".

Even so, you still haven't old me what non-material objects are - just what they are not.

You asked for a definition of non-material objects, and received not the one you set forth in quotes above, but a defintiion of a material object is to someone of a materialist outlook no less.

Complaining that you have received nothing but a tautology is false.

Good luck with your inquiry.
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« Reply #77 on: November 05, 2007, 01:24:27 PM »


Since you accept as a  truism that a material object is that which  would exist independent of perception, it should not strain you unduly to conclude that a non-material object is one that does not exist independent of perception.

Well, really the truism part referred to the bit when you said "A non-material thing would be one that isn't material".

Even so, you still haven't old me what non-material objects are - just what they are not.

You asked for a definition of non-material objects, and received not the one you set forth in quotes above, but a defintiion of a material object is to someone of a materialist outlook no less.

Complaining that you have received nothing but a tautology is false.

Good luck with your inquiry.

I don't follow your logic that material objects exist independent of perception therefore non-material objects don't. It doesn't follow.

By your definition even if we discovered that thoughts are composed purely of matter and energy (i.e. material) they would still by definition be non-material.
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