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« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2007, 08:24:54 PM » |
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Absolutely sure. Atheism isn't a belief system. Ergo, claiming it's one is false. Claiming Atheism is a belief system is like claiming lack of belief in Chewbacca is a belief system. Fucking Absurd on it's face. Lacking belief in magical faeries isn't a system of belief unless you rape the term of meaning and replace it with whatever the hell you want it to mean, but then again...you do that regularly.
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« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2007, 08:32:18 PM » |
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Apparently other atheists disagree with your rather limited dogmatic statement.
Care to explain why atheists cannot have those beliefs which are differing views from yours?
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« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2007, 12:17:25 AM » |
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I have presented how I view belief systems. You of course say such toleration is all wrong. I am sure you would be first to lead the book burning sections.
a) Your presentation was not easy to understand or follow. I invited you to clarify. You responded with a refusal and veiled insults. b) I say nothing of the sort concerning tolerance. I do however think that some ideas are wrong and lead to evil actions and attitudes. Even if they have 'stood the test of time'. |
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« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2007, 10:48:53 AM » |
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It is clarified, was clarified, you simply reduce your arguments to navel contemplation, I have little respect for people who love to get caught up in the minutae and nauseatingly miss the big picture. They tend to be the whiners in any group.
"Seems" is not an escape when you deconstruct and take one portion out of context in order to whine about something.
Allow me to quote, with a small change or two.... "When you insult other {people}, you have shown that you cannot speak well of your views, that you do not know how to present your belief system in an appealing way. You are in effect forced to denigrate other {people} due to your own feelings of inadequacy ... or are forced to do so due to your own ignorance, not only of your belief systems but also of your ability to verbalize that philosophy" No, belief systems deserve some level of respect Why? |
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« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2007, 05:23:17 PM » |
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I didn't read any of this thread.
It matters very little what somebody's world view is, or their belief system. Very little.
Lots' of people have lot's of beliefs.
What matters is their REASON for having those beliefs. If people simply spout their beliefs as if they should be taken seriously without explaining why, they are simply masturbating all over their audience.
I bet all b did was talk about his belief in some neo-PC manner and think that everyone should espouse his beliefs.
Perhaps he should discuss ideas rather than people - and in this case, talking about one's self has got to be lowest on the scale.
After all, there is nothing more authoritarian and egotistical to write your own beliefs as if they are valid and then simply engage in ad homs when you actually get a chance to defend them.
Baldar, stop TELLING people what you think and start explaining why you think you, yourself, should believe it. Defend your beliefs with logic, not spout them and attack people for not agreeing with you.
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Patton
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« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2007, 06:07:42 PM » |
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It is troubling that I should even have to mention this.
Inflammatory, disrespectful and uncivil references to Silver Lining with intent to harm will be promptly deleted. There is no acceptable decent and civil rationale for attacking the memory of a former member who cannot personally respond to attacks against his character...or attacks referencing him or his memory as some sort of "weapon" against another.
The deleted posts from this thread reside in the Moderator area for reference.
I decided not to Inferno them because this will not be allowed to continue here or anywhere else on the Forum.
DO NOT use this thread to continue the subject of the deleted posts or why they were deleted.
If you have a comment or question, PM me.
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Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best; it removes all that is base. All men are afraid in battle. The coward is the one who lets his fear overcome his sense of duty. Duty is the essence of manhood
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Baldar
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« Reply #21 on: October 25, 2007, 06:21:40 PM » |
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I didn't read any of this thread.
It matters very little what somebody's world view is, or their belief system. Very little.
Lots' of people have lot's of beliefs.
What matters is their REASON for having those beliefs. If people simply spout their beliefs as if they should be taken seriously without explaining why, they are simply masturbating all over their audience.
I bet all b did was talk about his belief in some neo-PC manner and think that everyone should espouse his beliefs.
Perhaps he should discuss ideas rather than people - and in this case, talking about one's self has got to be lowest on the scale.
After all, there is nothing more authoritarian and egotistical to write your own beliefs as if they are valid and then simply engage in ad homs when you actually get a chance to defend them.
Baldar, stop TELLING people what you think and start explaining why you think you, yourself, should believe it. Defend your beliefs with logic, not spout them and attack people for not agreeing with you.
LOL, well you seem big on telling people what THEY think and WHY. Why should we spoil all of your fun. You simply are taking the typical passive aggressive approach of the intellectually challenged. The why's are there. Your trouble is that its a bit "complicated" for you. |
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« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2007, 04:16:43 AM » |
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It is troubling that I should even have to mention this.
Inflammatory, disrespectful and uncivil references to Silver Lining with intent to harm will be promptly deleted. There is no acceptable decent and civil rationale for attacking the memory of a former member who cannot personally respond to attacks against his character...or attacks referencing him or his memory as some sort of "weapon" against another.
The deleted posts from this thread reside in the Moderator area for reference.
I decided not to Inferno them because this will not be allowed to continue here or anywhere else on the Forum.
DO NOT use this thread to continue the subject of the deleted posts or why they were deleted.
If you have a comment or question, PM me.
We expect a little higher level of decorum here. Attacking someone that has no ability to defend themselves will not be tolerated. Excellent move here Patton. |
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« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2007, 06:00:36 AM » |
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We expect a little higher level of decorum here.
Clearly. Absolutely sure. Atheism isn't a belief system. Ergo, claiming it's one is false. Claiming Atheism is a belief system is like claiming lack of belief in Chewbacca is a belief system. Fucking Absurd on it's face. Lacking belief in magical faeries isn't a system of belief unless you rape the term of meaning and replace it with whatever the hell you want it to mean, but then again...you do that regularly.
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« Last Edit: October 26, 2007, 06:07:21 AM by zukiphile »
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« Reply #24 on: October 26, 2007, 06:17:04 AM » |
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Excellent. You have sussed out the ones we missed. Couldn't help notice you didn't bother to quote the ones that got caught. But then that would go counter to your point wouldn't it?
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« Reply #25 on: October 26, 2007, 06:19:46 AM » |
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Excellent. You have sussed out the ones we missed. Couldn't help notice you didn't bother to quote the ones that got caught. But then that would go counter to your point wouldn't it?
Not at all. How would I quote deleted material anyway? The implication that I failed to quote every instance because doing so would "go counter to" the point is incorrect. Here is part of an exchange Abraxas found especially entertaining. I am surprised at how much Catholics and Christians are over-reacting. Good point. They should stop issuing fatwas and sending waves of "suicide" bombers to kill people who joke about their religion. Does it hurt to have your head so far up your rectal cavity? The decorum horse left the barn long ago. The point is that a contrary expectation isn't reasonable. |
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« Last Edit: October 26, 2007, 06:32:10 AM by zukiphile »
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« Reply #26 on: October 26, 2007, 02:20:27 PM » |
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The decorum horse left the barn long ago. The point is that a contrary expectation isn't reasonable. This is getting old rather quickly and it reminds me of when my 8 year old thinks my 4 year old is "getting away" with something...we are supposed to be adults here. To have an expectation that every single post will be viewed by a member of the Moderating staff is setting yourself up for a failed expectation from the start. If something is brought to my attention, I deal with it...if I miss something...it can't be used as some lame example of "different standards" applied for different people. If I make a judgement call on something and you wish to ask why, I am more than happy to oblige...I have a rationale for every action I take here, and am more than willing to explain...and if you wish, you may tell me how you think I am wrong....I will listen...and if warranted will apologize, redact my action...or disagree and the call stands...it's really quite simple. |
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Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best; it removes all that is base. All men are afraid in battle. The coward is the one who lets his fear overcome his sense of duty. Duty is the essence of manhood
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« Reply #27 on: October 26, 2007, 03:31:17 PM » |
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Not at all. How would I quote deleted material anyway? You might do something like this.... I never took a debate class, maybe you can help.
Is "Uncivil speech removed - Biker" an ad hom?
Novel concept. The implication that I failed to quote every instance because doing so would "go counter to" the point is incorrect. I think you failed to quote any instance because it went counter to your point. Easier to look put upon when they other guy always gets away with it!  Here is part of an exchange Abraxas found especially entertaining. I am surprised at how much Catholics and Christians are over-reacting. Good point. They should stop issuing fatwas and sending waves of "suicide" bombers to kill people who joke about their religion. Does it hurt to have your head so far up your rectal cavity? Yes? What is your point?  The decorum horse left the barn long ago. The point is that a contrary expectation isn't reasonable.
So, it's the old 'he's an ass, so I can be an ass' game? What are we 9? Come on zuk, I don't want to see report posts all over the place, but is this really a defense in your mind?  |
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« Reply #28 on: October 26, 2007, 05:22:09 PM » |
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You know, all I stated is "this is how I deal with different belief systems".
Of course the crazed zealots out there found all kinds of reasons to attack dialogue and toleration. But it is simply this is how I view other belief systems.
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« Reply #29 on: October 26, 2007, 05:42:04 PM » |
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You know, all I stated is "this is how I deal with different belief systems".
Of course the crazed zealots out there found all kinds of reasons to attack dialogue and toleration. But it is simply this is how I view other belief systems.
so? who cares? are you a prophet or something and should be heeded "just because"? why not give a REASON for why people should believe things, instead of talking about yourself? |
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