No, a look at most religions would demonstrate that this premise of yours is incorrect.  I see your response to Baldar but you didn't answer the question and you seem to have also changed the definition of religion as well.


Scripture claims that belief in God includes evidence (Romans 1-3) but ultimately requires faith (this concept is contained throughout).  Hebrews 12 does a nice job of defining faith.  At one point Jesus tells of a rich man who routinely passed by a poor blind man.  They both died and the wealthy man found himself in hell separated from God and his kingdom.  He asks for some relief from the formerly poor man but is denied.  He then asks that angles could be sent to others to warn them not to make the mistake of non-belief since scripture did not convince him but he is told that existing evidence and scripture was enough to give people reason to choose to have faith if they wanted a relationship with God and that no additional amount of evidence would make any difference because people will decide for themselves regardless of the soundness of the evidence.  In other words Jesus admits the evidence is incomplete and scripture is not proof.

So again I wonder what you find significant about Paine's writing.

Once again you purposely deceive the other readers by falsely attributing words to your opponent and changing the meaning and context of things that are said.


Convince people of what?  That God exists? Yes, it would but, (stipulating that it is correct) in scripture it is clear that God is not interested in beings who believe; scripture points out that the devil and demons believes and shudder . . .  Instead God is interested in those who choose to honor and love him.  Going back to the example, the rich person was motivated to spare himself of the shame and suffering of hell but while alive had no interest in loving God and his people including the poor blind and afflicted man.  Jesus was saying that more evidence would not convince people to change their hearts even if it does change their mind as you claim it would.


Concern for humanity is outstanding, but according to scripture, God is looking for more.  It is a mystery why you haven't understood that yet.

This would be a remarkable transformation.

NO!?!? Say it aint so!

Rf, I wonder if you are Xian at all.

John 20:31

John 20
The Empty Tomb
 1Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance. 2So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, and said, "They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don't know where they have put him!"
 3So Peter and the other disciple started for the tomb. 4Both were running, but the other disciple outran Peter and reached the tomb first. 5He bent over and looked in at the strips of linen lying there but did not go in. 6Then Simon Peter, who was behind him, arrived and went into the tomb. He saw the strips of linen lying there, 7as well as the burial cloth that had been around Jesus' head. The cloth was folded up by itself, separate from the linen. 8Finally the other disciple, who had reached the tomb first, also went inside. He saw and believed. 9(They still did not understand from Scripture that Jesus had to rise from the dead.)

Jesus Appears to Mary Magdalene
 10Then the disciples went back to their homes, 11but Mary stood outside the tomb crying. As she wept, she bent over to look into the tomb 12and saw two angels in white, seated where Jesus' body had been, one at the head and the other at the foot.
 13They asked her, "Woman, why are you crying?"

   "They have taken my Lord away," she said, "and I don't know where they have put him." 14At this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not realize that it was Jesus.

 15"Woman," he said, "why are you crying? Who is it you are looking for?"
      Thinking he was the gardener, she said, "Sir, if you have carried him away, tell me where you have put him, and I will get him."

 16Jesus said to her, "Mary."
      She turned toward him and cried out in Aramaic, "Rabboni!" (which means Teacher).

 17Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.' "

 18Mary Magdalene went to the disciples with the news: "I have seen the Lord!" And she told them that he had said these things to her.

Jesus Appears to His Disciples
 19On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!" 20After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord.
 21Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you." 22And with that he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit. 23If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."

Jesus Appears to Thomas
 24Now Thomas (called Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. 25So the other disciples told him, "We have seen the Lord!"
      But he said to them, "Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe it."
 26A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!" 27Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe."

 28Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"

 29Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

 30Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. 31But these are written that you may[a] believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.



Why would jesus do all those things for his disciples - like showing up after he died?

Have you read the Bible?