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« Reply #45 on: November 10, 2007, 08:11:14 AM » |
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I've just been reading this thread, and not commenting on it, bnut I figured what the hell.
I don't really see it or understand it as I haven't taken a drug that did anything to me. My system is VERY difficult to medicate, even with prescription drugs. Very little phases it. So I am wondering what I've missed. But then I still have all the money I might have spent on drugs!
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« Reply #46 on: November 10, 2007, 09:10:41 AM » |
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I never spend money on drugs - that is what friends are for.
Your system may be hard to break, but trust me, I can find something that will have you chasing the dragon forever. Everyone can be broken.
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« Reply #47 on: November 10, 2007, 10:32:34 AM » |
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It doesn't really hold much interest to me. I don't really even drink all that much. I think some of it comes from being a parent. It's not something I am real willing to model in front of my son.
But the whole difficulty thing is something I wouldn't mind getting rid of. I am used to having my teeth drilled without Novocaine. The shots aren't fun, and they never worked, so I did away with them. And the doc never listened that I could still feel it. Stuff like that my whole life.
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« Reply #48 on: November 10, 2007, 10:49:15 AM » |
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I've just been reading this thread, and not commenting on it, bnut I figured what the hell.
I don't really see it or understand it as I haven't taken a drug that did anything to me. My system is VERY difficult to medicate, even with prescription drugs. Very little phases it. So I am wondering what I've missed. But then I still have all the money I might have spent on drugs!
Psychedelics, and LSD in particular are a different animal than many other types of drugs. The danger, IMO, comes not from risk of dependency (very, very weak physical addictive properties) or spending too much money, but from things people aren't prepared for in their own subconscious. IMO, much of the same knowledge can be gained in other ways, psychedelics are a kind of short cut.
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« Reply #49 on: November 12, 2007, 12:35:56 AM » |
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In what other ways?
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« Reply #50 on: November 12, 2007, 08:59:24 AM » |
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Meditation, extreme hardship (physical or mental), education, travel, and adventure, or even intensive reasoning.
These are a few of the ways.
From what I have read, many Buddhists criticize use of psychedelics in the pursuit of spiritual truths precisely because it is a shortcut from meditation, and the knowledge gained isn't as complete.
I would consider much of my own use of psychedelics to have components of meditation, intensive reasoning and mental hardship. The way I see it, the chemicals facilitated the process. Generally speaking, I don't shun shortcuts in this sense, especially if the path is to be traversed repeatedly. You get a better lay of the land if you wander off the beaten path here and there, IMO.
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« Reply #51 on: November 12, 2007, 09:51:01 AM » |
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From what I have read, many Buddhists criticize use of psychedelics in the pursuit of spiritual truths precisely because it is a shortcut from meditation, and the knowledge gained isn't as complete. Or knowledge that befuddles. I would consider much of my own use of psychedelics to have components of meditation, intensive reasoning and mental hardship. The way I see it, the chemicals facilitated the process. Generally speaking, I don't shun shortcuts in this sense, especially if the path is to be traversed repeatedly. You get a better lay of the land if you wander off the beaten path here and there, IMO.
I just think it is dangerous and not worth the risk. I have taken the risk and lucky to get out, sometimes regretting that I ever did. However, some people have been permanently psychologically scarred. Psychedelics can really change someone for the worse. I prefer meditation. It's benefits are limitless. The only cost is time.
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« Reply #52 on: November 12, 2007, 10:02:38 AM » |
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So, taking psychedelics is like a quick enlightenment that never sticks. Interesting.
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« Reply #53 on: November 12, 2007, 12:10:45 PM » |
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So, taking psychedelics is like a quick enlightenment that never sticks. Interesting.
In buddhism enlightenment never really sticks.
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« Reply #54 on: November 12, 2007, 01:24:27 PM » |
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So it's the same?
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« Reply #55 on: November 12, 2007, 01:46:07 PM » |
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In buddhism you take an active role in your meditation. With psychedelics they just happen.
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« Reply #56 on: November 12, 2007, 01:52:26 PM » |
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From what I have read, many Buddhists criticize use of psychedelics in the pursuit of spiritual truths precisely because it is a shortcut from meditation, and the knowledge gained isn't as complete. Or knowledge that befuddles. I would consider much of my own use of psychedelics to have components of meditation, intensive reasoning and mental hardship. The way I see it, the chemicals facilitated the process. Generally speaking, I don't shun shortcuts in this sense, especially if the path is to be traversed repeatedly. You get a better lay of the land if you wander off the beaten path here and there, IMO.
I just think it is dangerous and not worth the risk. I have taken the risk and lucky to get out, sometimes regretting that I ever did. However, some people have been permanently psychologically scarred. Psychedelics can really change someone for the worse. I prefer meditation. It's benefits are limitless. The only cost is time. I'll agree. Using psychedelics can be dangerous. Not only in risk of poor decisions while under the influence, and monetary cost, but also in the long term effects. There is no denying that the massive use of psychedelic chemicals from my youth has had a profound effect on the way I think. Some effects are negative, but I see a net positive. I don't claim it's safe, or for everyone. For me they have outlived their usefulness as tools. I won't argue with the befuddlement, but there is much to learn from that befuddlement. Clarity and noise are relative. I personally have derived great value from utter confusion, it gave me a reference point to clarity. I see the similarity between meditation and tripping as peering into yourself. Gaining a better understanding about how you, and your mind interact with reality. Both lead to questioning of the status quo, and both have come under fire at different times (although, legally it's much easier to justify a ban on psychedelics) from the established system. Ultimately, meditation is a much more sustainable way, but I would not discount the value of the psychedelic experience.
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« Reply #57 on: November 12, 2007, 02:00:21 PM » |
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Reminds of me the quote, "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me."
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« Reply #58 on: November 12, 2007, 02:06:15 PM » |
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Reminds of me the quote, "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me."
HST, I thought of posting that one myself actually. He had a tendency to tell it like it was, I have a lot of respect for that. I really appreciate his writing because he doesn't overlook danger, and realizes the inherent value and comedy in it.
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« Reply #59 on: November 12, 2007, 07:57:53 PM » |
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What have you learned, if anything, through psychedelics?
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