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« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2007, 11:14:46 AM » |
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show me guy who could not stop fishing or playing golf and i will show you some few hundred thousand those guys who couldn't not escape coke
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« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2007, 11:54:13 AM » |
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Once again, that is talking about irresponsible drug use. Not what I'm talking about.
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« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2007, 12:33:18 PM » |
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« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2007, 12:36:06 PM » |
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But it means nothing concerning the topic of the thread, which is about responsible drug use.
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« Reply #19 on: October 26, 2007, 02:46:08 PM » |
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wasn't talking to you
14, this is a public forum. your posts are fair game for anyone. If you want to keep it secret, PM the person.
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« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2007, 05:57:13 AM » |
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You are saying 'drug use', but what you mean is 'recreational and sometimes illegal drug use' because you're talking about having a good time with substances, my guess is you're not talking about prescription drugs for mood altering like Xanex or Prozac.
With some drugs, taking any at all is irresponsible, like Methamphetamine (especially the kind made in a toilet), Heroine, PCP, ecstacy that you cannot be sure is really ecstacy, etc...
For alcohol, it's sometimes difficult for an abuser (whose personality does a 180 degree turn after drinking) or alcoholic who cannot stop after one drink to even realize they have a problem. Denial is the easiest choice for most people.
With pot, yes it is a somewhat benign drug with great benefits and should be legalized for very sick people, especially those with upset stomache, but there are some problems with it, too, mainly how long it stays in your system and how it impairs your ability to do certain things because of how it slows your reaction time.
So I suppose my point is it depends on the drug and the level of denial in the person using, which varies.
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« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2007, 09:35:43 AM » |
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14, this is a public forum. your posts are fair game for anyone. If you want to keep it secret, PM the person.
relax i'm not Jesus,,, my remark was only because i was sure Satanists think i'm speaking to him,,, and not some try to shut him up...
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« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2007, 05:46:21 PM » |
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relax i'm not Jesus,,, my remark was only because i was sure Satanists think i'm speaking to him,,, and not some try to shut him up...
You're a strange little person in a strange little world. And this topic needs some major clarification. There is no fine line between responsible drug use and irresponsible drug use, responsible and irresponsible are too subjective to be used meaningfully in a discussion of this nature. Secondly, as 2112 pointed out, it is 'irresponsible' to take some drugs no matter the environment they are taken in or the motivation one has for taking the drug. As to Gojira's comment that this oath goes out of the mind of the user when he is on 'drugs', you REALLY need to clarify 'drugs' in this statement. Sure, when on a high dose of LSD one is not likely to remember the oath and frankly, not even care about it, but to claim that the average marijuana smoker cannot control their habit because they are inhibited is ludicrous. Just because a drug is mind altering, does not mean it is mind numbing. 
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« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2007, 06:06:51 PM » |
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You're right, most drug users aren't the responsible ones. This more than likely stems from the fact that people grow up with "just say no" and are told forever that drugs are bad. It's a lot harder to teach responsibility, so they teach prohibition instead.
You can't simply "teach" someone responsibility. You have to learn by doing. And it wouldn't be a good idea to let kids "learn from doing" with drugs. You'd just end up with a bunch of ODs. The ability to "teach responsibility" would solve alot of issues currently going on with American culture/society (IE: Bastard children). But it simply isn't possible.
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« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2007, 07:00:25 PM » |
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As to Gojira's comment that this oath goes out of the mind of the user when he is on 'drugs', you REALLY need to clarify 'drugs' in this statement. Sure, when on a high dose of LSD one is not likely to remember the oath and frankly, not even care about it, but to claim that the average marijuana smoker cannot control their habit because they are inhibited is ludicrous. Just because a drug is mind altering, does not mean it is mind numbing.  My comment was about the responsibility of recreational drug use. That is, any drug that is used for purposes that exceed its intended use for recreational purposes. Drawing this line with hard drugs is difficult. For medicinal drugs it's easy. People take Vicadin for its intended purpose; to relive physical pain. When someone decides to step over the line and take the drug for purposes other than physical pain, dependence begins. But that didn't stop me from convincing my hamstring broken friend to give me a few pills for the fun of it. If you need to know, I am not addicted to Vicadin but I did exceed its intended use for recreational purposes and in that instance I -- if you could entertain BBW's thought -- that I was responsible. In relation to your following comments, it is not that me, or you, or anyone else is not responsible when taking drugs for recreation, it is that drugs in many times blur the lines of rationality and responsibility, in order to feed some sort of need that is beyond the scope of taking a drug beyond its expected use for different purposes instead of recreation.
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« Reply #25 on: October 28, 2007, 10:00:45 PM » |
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You're right, most drug users aren't the responsible ones. This more than likely stems from the fact that people grow up with "just say no" and are told forever that drugs are bad. It's a lot harder to teach responsibility, so they teach prohibition instead.
You can't simply "teach" someone responsibility. You have to learn by doing. And it wouldn't be a good idea to let kids "learn from doing" with drugs. You'd just end up with a bunch of ODs. The ability to "teach responsibility" would solve alot of issues currently going on with American culture/society (IE: Bastard children). But it simply isn't possible. That was covered under the part about researching OD limits.
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« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2007, 06:51:22 AM » |
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You're right, most drug users aren't the responsible ones. This more than likely stems from the fact that people grow up with "just say no" and are told forever that drugs are bad. It's a lot harder to teach responsibility, so they teach prohibition instead.
You can't simply "teach" someone responsibility. You have to learn by doing. And it wouldn't be a good idea to let kids "learn from doing" with drugs. You'd just end up with a bunch of ODs. The ability to "teach responsibility" would solve alot of issues currently going on with American culture/society (IE: Bastard children). But it simply isn't possible. That was covered under the part about researching OD limits. Haha, you don't think teens would push it to if not past the limit? Get with the program wigs.
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« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2007, 10:49:11 AM » |
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You're right, most drug users aren't the responsible ones. This more than likely stems from the fact that people grow up with "just say no" and are told forever that drugs are bad. It's a lot harder to teach responsibility, so they teach prohibition instead.
You can't simply "teach" someone responsibility. You have to learn by doing. And it wouldn't be a good idea to let kids "learn from doing" with drugs. You'd just end up with a bunch of ODs. The ability to "teach responsibility" would solve alot of issues currently going on with American culture/society (IE: Bastard children). But it simply isn't possible. That was covered under the part about researching OD limits. Haha, you don't think teens would push it to if not past the limit? Get with the program wigs. That's why, when you are sober, you purchase the least amount possible or only have that amount with you. Teens do it anyways, so there's no harm in trying to teach this.
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« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2007, 11:23:50 AM » |
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That's why, when you are sober, you purchase the least amount possible or only have that amount with you.
... and then after swilling it, out of your head, go driving to the nearest booze store to top yourself up....
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« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2007, 11:34:14 AM » |
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You're right, most drug users aren't the responsible ones. This more than likely stems from the fact that people grow up with "just say no" and are told forever that drugs are bad. It's a lot harder to teach responsibility, so they teach prohibition instead.
You can't simply "teach" someone responsibility. You have to learn by doing. And it wouldn't be a good idea to let kids "learn from doing" with drugs. You'd just end up with a bunch of ODs. The ability to "teach responsibility" would solve alot of issues currently going on with American culture/society (IE: Bastard children). But it simply isn't possible. That was covered under the part about researching OD limits. Haha, you don't think teens would push it to if not past the limit? Get with the program wigs. That's why, when you are sober, you purchase the least amount possible or only have that amount with you. Teens do it anyways, so there's no harm in trying to teach this. I don't really know anyone who "purchases the least amount possible". Reguardless of the vice.... And Callum is 100% right.
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