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Question: do you agree with 3 strikes and the race comment?
i am in favor of both the race comment and the bill - 1 (12.5%)
i am in favorof the bill but not the race comment - 2 (25%)
i am in favor of the race comment but not the bill - 0 (0%)
i am against both the race comment and the bill - 5 (62.5%)
Total Voters: 8

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Gojira
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« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2007, 07:37:06 PM »

Abraxas,

As much as your evidence is highly supportive of your theory, I believe that there other variables that need to considered. 

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Crack cocaine is a highly addictive and powerful stimulant that is derived from powdered cocaine using a simple conversion process. Crack emerged as a drug of abuse in the mid-1980s. It is abused because it produces an immediate high and because it is easy and inexpensive to produce--rendering it readily available and affordable.

http://www.usdoj.gov/ndic/pubs3/3978/index.htm#What

Crack cocaine is different from powdered in that it is mixed with ammonia or baking soda which makes it a more potent drug that can be made with less powdered cocaine.  So let's assume, that the reason why many blacks are incarcerated or why many blacks use crack cocaine can be for reasons of income. 

The poverty rate for whites is 8.2% while the poverty rate for blacks is 24.3% in 2007.

http://www.census.gov/prod/2007pubs/p60-233.pdf

We can assume that crack cocaine usage amongst the black population can be a function of income.  It would make sense that people who are poor are more likely going to use crack cocaine due to it being more inexpensive than powdered cocaine.

I am not saying that there could be some racial implications for the law, however there are many other variables that can suggest that the relationship could be caused by something other than race. 

I will conclude that the reason the sentences are so high for crack cocaine is that it is a much more addictive, powerful and cheaper drug that would yield harsher deviancy during and after consumption given the income demographic that uses it.   
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« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2007, 12:08:16 PM »

I don't really like the 3 strikes your out law the way it is right now, at least in CA.  I think they need to take each crime on it's own basis to some extent.  Let me explain:

Like 2-3 years ago there was a guy here in CA that already had 2 strikes on his record, and then a couple years later he went into a store and stole something little, I think it was a pack of cigarettes (I'm not sure though).... Anyway, the guy got caught and he was charged with his 3rd strike.  So, because of a $3.00 theft charge this man was sentenced to life in prison.  WTF!!!!!!  I do know that his attorneys were trying to get his sentence overturned, but I never did hear or find out if his sentence was changed.

Honestly, I think this was total over-kill!!!!

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« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2007, 12:18:53 PM »

Most, I can not speak for Cali's, but MOST three stricks laws refer to felonies.
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« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2007, 12:31:16 PM »

Most, I can not speak for Cali's, but MOST three stricks laws refer to felonies.

That's what I thought also until I heard about this guy (case) on the news.  I couldn't believe that this guy may go to jail for the rest of his life for something so petty.  I remember there was a big uproar about it though.  I'll try to find it, maybe it's somewhere on the web.

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