CedarPride
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A 12 year old girl is staying in jail in Dubai simply because she has nowhere else to go. I couldn't believe my eyes when I read this: Dubai - Daughter’s jail timeDubai - A 12-year-old girl has been staying in prison in Muraqqabat, Dubai, since her mother was arrested on charges of prostitution, kidnapping and pimping. The youngster’s mother, who is originally from Tajikistan, is standing trial alongside an Iranian man and both are accused of kidnapping another woman and forcing her into prostitution.
And as the young girl has nowhere to stay now that her mother is behind bars, she has been forced to remain in prison with her while awaiting trial. The child is believed to still be studying at school and yesterday sat in court reading a play as part of her studies.
The girl’s mother had asked the court for bail so she could care for her daughter but the judge refused and so when the case was heard yesterday the youngster was forced to attend court and then return to the jail. In court yesterday the judge heard that the accused pair kidnapped a woman and took her to a flat in Naif, where they stole almost $3,000 in jewellery and a large sum of cash from her as well.
Her mother and her alleged accomplice deny all the charges against them. The case has now been adjourned until next month and the daughter is set to remain in prison until the next court hearing. So what if they turn out to be innocent? Do they know how traumatic this would be to the child? And what if the verdict is guilty? What will happen to the child? Will she remain in jail with her mother? In the entire country, they couldn't find an orphanage or a social institution to send the girl to, they couldn't take information from the mother to contact someone in her country to send the child to, they couldn't make any effort except the girl in jail with her mother!!! This is really outrageous! When will these countries join the rest of the planet. And to say this is Dubai, that is supposed to be the most "civilized" of the lot  |
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Terry Mathis
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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2007, 10:04:03 AM » |
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... I have seen that young girls plight in articles everywhere and Cedar, I agree 100% with you. Here's hoping the publicity alone will shame Dubai into changing their position on this as well as pressure from the U.N. ... |
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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2007, 03:49:29 PM » |
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this is hard for us to understand but we are not Muslim,,, Muslim women have different that other women role in life whether it's Tajikistan or Dubai it doesn't matter,,,
The question is what you would do if foreign citizen in your country accused in severe crimes according to your law got arrested ? I think it was mother's responsibility whether to keep a child when she on a crime spree or not,,, mother without common sense in defending a child should have no right to keep the child,,,
With all due respect, if she left Tajikistan to Dubai to work as prostitute then her girl would have much better time and food in Dubai'i jail rather back home,,,
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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2007, 04:37:47 PM » |
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It's hard to make a stance here. One hand the mother is accused of prostitution (not a healthy environment for the child); but having the child in prison with the mother isn't healthy, too.
The only comfort I can see in all of it, is the child is still with her mother, and not taken from her and thrown into some orphanage -- and possibly adopted into a worse family.
What does the mother say? Free the child to live in an orphanage? Or be with her?
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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2007, 09:02:39 AM » |
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It's hard to make a stance here. One hand the mother is accused of prostitution (not a healthy environment for the child); but having the child in prison with the mother isn't healthy, too.
The only comfort I can see in all of it, is the child is still with her mother, and not taken from her and thrown into some orphanage -- and possibly adopted into a worse family.
What does the mother say? Free the child to live in an orphanage? Or be with her?
The mother wanted to be let go on bail to care for her daughter while waiting for the trial to finish. She hasn't been pronounced guilty yet although, knowing the Arabs, I am almost sure she will be  The question is: Why not bail? And if they insist on keeping the mother in jail while on trial, I would say an orphanage is better for the child. She will not be put to adoption before the trial is over, so if the mother is pronounced innocent, this would mean that the child wouldn't have had to go through any of this. If the mother is pronounced guilty, then the child will have to leave her anyway, so what't the point of keeping her there through the trial? |
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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2007, 09:18:34 AM » |
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It's hard to make a stance here. One hand the mother is accused of prostitution (not a healthy environment for the child); but having the child in prison with the mother isn't healthy, too.
The only comfort I can see in all of it, is the child is still with her mother, and not taken from her and thrown into some orphanage -- and possibly adopted into a worse family.
What does the mother say? Free the child to live in an orphanage? Or be with her?
The mother wanted to be let go on bail to care for her daughter while waiting for the trial to finish. She hasn't been pronounced guilty yet although, knowing the Arabs, I am almost sure she will be The question is: Why not bail? And if they insist on keeping the mother in jail while on trial, I would say an orphanage is better for the child. She will not be put to adoption before the trial is over, so if the mother is pronounced innocent, this would mean that the child wouldn't have had to go through any of this. If the mother is pronounced guilty, then the child will have to leave her anyway, so what't the point of keeping her there through the trial? There isn't any point in that Cedar. Dubai is weird AFAIK. What do you know of Dubai? Warmest regards and welcome here! Terry |
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« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2007, 01:31:36 PM » |
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Don't they have some sort of foster care in that part of the world? Not to be confused with an orphanage which is for permanent placement of children into other families. Foster care is a temporary residence for the child.
On a side note, (and I realize I being kinda argumentative) why assume that the mother is the best person for the child to be with? Mothers can be awful people too. If the Mother is guilty of the crime directly maybe its the mothers new significant other is responsible for the crime, but how responsible of a mother is she if she brings these people into her daughters life?
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« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2007, 05:21:44 PM » |
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One thing we can be sure of is that the US won't withdraw their friendship because of it. It'll largely be ignored the same way the beheading in chop,chop square in Saudi is ignored.
And of course the same rats who want to demonize people in the M.E. will feign concern for the little girl.
Most thinking people aren't fooled anymore.
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« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2007, 06:37:53 PM » |
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Exactly Orwell.
Saudia Arabia has the worst human rights record in the Middle East.
And in Egypt many of the members of the opposition party are languishing in jail without charge.
What it all comes down to is this.
If the people don't vote in a government that the US favours, then they're subjected to collective punishment until a tyrannical strongman is installed that the US does favour.
It's exactly what happened over decades throughout Latin America.
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« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2007, 09:13:21 PM » |
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Exactly Orwell.
Saudia Arabia has the worst human rights record in the Middle East.
And in Egypt many of the members of the opposition party are languishing in jail without charge.
What it all comes down to is this.
If the people don't vote in a government that the US favours, then they're subjected to collective punishment until a tyrannical strongman is installed that the US does favour.
It's exactly what happened over decades throughout Latin America.
You're right on the money with that pal. And the other half of the story is that Iraq under Saddam was a very progressive modern nation by M.E. standards which allowed all religious persuasions and saw women treated as equals. That's another good one to stick up the warmongers noses! |
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« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2007, 09:18:14 PM » |
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Exactly Orwell.
Saudia Arabia has the worst human rights record in the Middle East.
And in Egypt many of the members of the opposition party are languishing in jail without charge.
What it all comes down to is this.
If the people don't vote in a government that the US favours, then they're subjected to collective punishment until a tyrannical strongman is installed that the US does favour.
It's exactly what happened over decades throughout Latin America.
You're right on the money with that pal. And the other half of the story is that Iraq under Saddam was a very progressive modern nation by M.E. standards which allowed all religious persuasions and saw women treated as equals. That's another good one to stick up the warmongers noses! Wrong as usual, and quite a few Kurds who lost thousands to Saddam would testify to his inhumanity and inhumane term as a dictator. Terry |
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« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2007, 09:22:14 PM » |
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Iraq under Saddam was top democracy back then by Middle East standards,,, they just gassed Kurds and attacked Iran , Israel and Kuwait,,, this is democratic approach, aye? Not even to mention hundred thousands Iraqis who suffered from political repressions after your dear Saddam made their kids blow off them self again Iran.
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« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2007, 09:28:10 PM » |
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Wrong Terry?? Now that's a well reasoned argument you pose to us. I'm going to expand on your argument a little in the hopes of helping you out a little. You need to understand Terry, that of course there will be many Iraqis who would tell you all kinds of horror stories about Saddam's methods. And I am quick to admit that many of them are factual. But the real point is Terry, is that Saddam was in the process of putting down armed insurrections against his government by mostly the US. You need to consider the methods the US would use against an entity which was suppported by say the Russians, which came to the US and tried to overthrow the government.
And lastly Terry, it's always quite nausiating to us antiwar people when you prowar people bring up such issues because we know that you really don't feel any empathy in the least for others. Especially Iraqis Terry. Sorry terry but we really do have your number by now.
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« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2007, 09:44:31 PM » |
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Wrong Terry?? Now that's a well reasoned argument you pose to us. I'm going to expand on your argument a little in the hopes of helping you out a little. You need to understand Terry, that of course there will be many Iraqis who would tell you all kinds of horror stories about Saddam's methods. And I am quick to admit that many of them are factual. But the real point is Terry, is that Saddam was in the process of putting down armed insurrections against his government by mostly the US. You need to consider the methods the US would use against an entity which was suppported by say the Russians, which came to the US and tried to overthrow the government.
And lastly Terry, it's always quite nauseating to us antiwar people when you prowar people bring up such issues because we know that you really don't feel any empathy in the least for others. Especially Iraqis Terry. Sorry terry but we really do have your number by now.
Then you are a patronizing fool and will be treated as such, with nothing. Sabe ese? Oh, and I corrected one of your mistakes (in bold) of your quote. War, for those who know it, is nothing your kind would know about. You had just get down on your knees and thank those that gave so that you have freedoms that many do not. Pro-War? You really are a fool. T. |
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« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2007, 09:50:03 PM » |
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Wrong Terry?? Now that's a well reasoned argument you pose to us. I'm going to expand on your argument a little in the hopes of helping you out a little. You need to understand Terry, that of course there will be many Iraqis who would tell you all kinds of horror stories about Saddam's methods. And I am quick to admit that many of them are factual. But the real point is Terry, is that Saddam was in the process of putting down armed insurrections against his government by mostly the US. You need to consider the methods the US would use against an entity which was suppported by say the Russians, which came to the US and tried to overthrow the government.
And lastly Terry, it's always quite nauseating to us antiwar people when you prowar people bring up such issues because we know that you really don't feel any empathy in the least for others. Especially Iraqis Terry. Sorry terry but we really do have your number by now.
Then you are a patronizing fool and will be treated as such, with nothing. Sabe ese? Oh, and I corrected one of your mistakes (in bold) of your quote. War, for those who know it, is nothing your kind would know about. You had just get down on your knees and thank those that gave so that you have freedoms that many do not. Pro-War? You really are a fool. T. You're just getting mad because I know so much more about the topic than you do. You'll get over it soon. You're not one of the spelling Nazis are you? ;-) |
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