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« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2007, 05:03:54 AM » |
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You STILL are a liar. You said it was a coup d'etat, and it was not. It was an armed rebellion in Asturias. Can't you tell the difference between an armed rebellion and a coup d'etat? Or the difference between Madrid (where the Governemnt lies) and Asturias (300 kilometers away)? How, in heavens, you make a coup d'etat 300 kiometers away from the government...? Seriously. You know it was a lie. You know that "a coup d'etat" rings better than "an armed rebellion in a far and isolated province" (we shall remember that, back then, Asturias had no road connection with Madrid). But it's not the truth. The truth is, there was an armed rebellion in Asturias.... period. Not a coup d'etat. And you know too that the PSOE was re-founded not once but twice since that revolutionary era... that it abandoned Marxism in 1977 (just 20 years earlier than britain's own Laborist Party, go figure!)... and that it has won 5 of the 9 democratic elections held since 1977!. But still it's not democratic enough to you...  It is clear you don't have huevos enough to translate things like this: Me declaro culpable ante mi conciencia, ante el Partido Socialista y ante España entera, de mi participación en el movimiento revolucionario. Lo declaro como culpa, como pecado; no como gloria. Estoy exento de responsabilidad en la génesis de aquel movimiento; pero la tengo plena en su preparación y desarrollo.” <cough> To avoid talking about the balls (or just moral meanness) it takes to lie and blame others of exposing your lies... "I pledge myself guilty before my conscience, before the Sociaalist Part and the entire Spain, of my taking part in the revolutionary movement. I declare this as a fault, as a sin; not as glory. I am exempt of responsability on the origin of such movement; but I have it plentyfully on its readying and development" So the Secretary general of the PSOE in 1934 agrees he had responsability in the revolutionary movement in Asturias... but, WHERE IS THE COUP D'ETAT YOU CLAIMED, JABATO?Año 1934: Coup d'etat commited by the socialist party of Spain.33 priests killed in Oviedo. So? Where is the coup d'etat? It is YOUR quote, YOUR claim, and it is FALSE, it is a LIE. You told a lie and it has been proved it was a lie. And yet you bitch about how I don't translate statements which too prove how you told a lie? Man, you are cynical...  Thanks a lot! "I pledge myself guilty before my conscience, before the Sociaalist Part and the entire Spain, of my taking part in the revolutionary movement. I declare this as a fault, as a sin; not as glory. I am exempt of responsability on the origin of such movement; but I have it plentyfully on its readying and development" This man, Indalecio Prieto, was a socialist MP. This "revolutionary movement" you called it, was promoted by..............members of Parliament, Major. The socialist party of Sapin has got the lamentable honor of being the promoters of the only cup deetat non commited by the army in our country, but for MP. What a bunch of traitors! Don't be silly. This was simply a failed cup de etat. Socialism in Spain has always meant fascism, in the socialist way, but fascim at the end. 'Till 1976 that they refuse socialism, because is just a piece of s**t as an ideological corp. And again... A revolt in Asturias is NOT a coup d'etat. A revolt is a revolt. And a coup d'etat is a coup d'etat. They are not mutually interchangeable expressions and they describe very different political events. You still claim that a revolt was a coup d'etat and this still is a lie. Back to square 1 again. But, I should know. My signature used to be "there is no way to win a debate with a liar". And this whole discussion is becoming a case in point... |
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« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2007, 05:09:15 AM » |
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And again... A revolt in Asturias is NOT a coup d'etat. A revolt is a revolt. And a coup d'etat is a coup d'etat. They are not mutually interchangeable expressions and they describe very different political events. You still claim that a revolt was a coup d'etat and this still is a lie. Back to square 1 again. But, I should know. My signature used to be "there is no way to win a debate with a liar". And this whole discussion is becoming a case in point... For you is a revolt, for me is a cup de etat. But anyway, how could you call a revolt, whose promoters are MP's? And why they were sentenced to 70 years be3hind bars then? |
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« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2007, 05:26:31 AM » |
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And again... A revolt in Asturias is NOT a coup d'etat. A revolt is a revolt. And a coup d'etat is a coup d'etat. They are not mutually interchangeable expressions and they describe very different political events. You still claim that a revolt was a coup d'etat and this still is a lie. Back to square 1 again. But, I should know. My signature used to be "there is no way to win a debate with a liar". And this whole discussion is becoming a case in point... For you is a revolt, for me is a cup de etat. But anyway, how could you call a revolt, whose promoters are MP's? And why they were sentenced to 70 years be3hind bars then? Call it as you want to, that's your privilege... but be aware that it was not a coup d'etat no matter how much you stretch the definition of coup d'etat... - Coup d'etat: The sudden overthrow of a government, differing from a revolution by being carried out by a small group of people who replace only the leading figures Golpe de Estado.
1. m. Actuación violenta y rápida, generalmente por fuerzas militares o rebeldes, por la que un grupo determinado se apodera o intenta apoderarse de los resortes del gobierno de un Estado, desplazando a las autoridades existentes.Now, how is a revolt 300 kilometers away from the Government (and in a poorly connected province), an attempt to "overthrow the government" or " apoderarse de los resortes de un estado"? No way! Call it like you want to, but the 1934 revolt in Asturias was not a coup, putsch or how you want to call it. It was a revolt, period.  (BTW, there's an unanswered question at the "Socialism=idiotims" thread) |
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« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2007, 05:57:25 AM » |
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And again... A revolt in Asturias is NOT a coup d'etat. A revolt is a revolt. And a coup d'etat is a coup d'etat. They are not mutually interchangeable expressions and they describe very different political events. You still claim that a revolt was a coup d'etat and this still is a lie. Back to square 1 again. But, I should know. My signature used to be "there is no way to win a debate with a liar". And this whole discussion is becoming a case in point... For you is a revolt, for me is a cup de etat. But anyway, how could you call a revolt, whose promoters are MP's? And why they were sentenced to 70 years be3hind bars then? Call it as you want to, that's your privilege... but be aware that it was not a coup d'etat no matter how much you stretch the definition of coup d'etat... - Coup d'etat: The sudden overthrow of a government, differing from a revolution by being carried out by a small group of people who replace only the leading figures Golpe de Estado.
1. m. Actuación violenta y rápida, generalmente por fuerzas militares o rebeldes, por la que un grupo determinado se apodera o intenta apoderarse de los resortes del gobierno de un Estado, desplazando a las autoridades existentes.Now, how is a revolt 300 kilometers away from the Government (and in a poorly connected province), an attempt to "overthrow the government" or " apoderarse de los resortes de un estado"? No way! Call it like you want to, but the 1934 revolt in Asturias was not a coup, putsch or how you want to call it. It was a revolt, period. (BTW, there's an unanswered question at the "Socialism=idiotims" thread) Golpe de Estado. 1. m. Actuación violenta y rápida, generalmente por fuerzas militares o rebeldes, por la que un grupo determinado se apodera o intenta apoderarse de los resortes del gobierno de un Estado, desplazando a las autoridades existentes. And what is the part you don't understand? |
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« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2007, 05:59:28 AM » |
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BTW, there's an unanswered question at the "Socialism=idiotims" thread)
Oh my God, sure?, an unanswered question at the "Socialism=idiotims" thread? I can't believe it. I think I'm gonna have problems to get asleep tonight Major
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« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2007, 06:31:01 AM » |
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And again... A revolt in Asturias is NOT a coup d'etat. A revolt is a revolt. And a coup d'etat is a coup d'etat. They are not mutually interchangeable expressions and they describe very different political events. You still claim that a revolt was a coup d'etat and this still is a lie. Back to square 1 again. But, I should know. My signature used to be "there is no way to win a debate with a liar". And this whole discussion is becoming a case in point... For you is a revolt, for me is a cup de etat. But anyway, how could you call a revolt, whose promoters are MP's? And why they were sentenced to 70 years be3hind bars then? Call it as you want to, that's your privilege... but be aware that it was not a coup d'etat no matter how much you stretch the definition of coup d'etat... - Coup d'etat: The sudden overthrow of a government, differing from a revolution by being carried out by a small group of people who replace only the leading figures Golpe de Estado.
1. m. Actuación violenta y rápida, generalmente por fuerzas militares o rebeldes, por la que un grupo determinado se apodera o intenta apoderarse de los resortes del gobierno de un Estado, desplazando a las autoridades existentes.Now, how is a revolt 300 kilometers away from the Government (and in a poorly connected province), an attempt to "overthrow the government" or " apoderarse de los resortes de un estado"? No way! Call it like you want to, but the 1934 revolt in Asturias was not a coup, putsch or how you want to call it. It was a revolt, period. (BTW, there's an unanswered question at the "Socialism=idiotims" thread) Golpe de Estado. 1. m. Actuación violenta y rápida, generalmente por fuerzas militares o rebeldes, por la que un grupo determinado se apodera o intenta apoderarse de los resortes del gobierno de un Estado, desplazando a las autoridades existentes. And what is the part you don't understand? I understand it perfectly... What I don't understand is why you call "coup d'etat" to a local revolt in Asturias. Maybe it's because you are a liar. |
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« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2007, 05:42:19 AM » |
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Major Zee Lee wrote:
I understand it perfectly...
I'm sorry to disagree with you. You understand, nothing Major.
Major Zee Lee wrote:
What I don't understand is why you call "coup d'etat" to a local revolt in Asturias.
What I do not understand is how you're so ignorant and why you don't feel shy showing everybody your enormous amount of ignorance.
Why do I call it cup d'etat? because it was a cup d'etat Major. A coup d'etat carried out by memeber of Parliament. Are you old enough -in mental terms- to understand that when a Revolt -as you romantically call it- is carried out by MP's it is not a revolt, Major. Once again, get a book a read it. And stop doing el ridículo
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« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2007, 10:00:09 AM » |
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Vaalee, aceptamos pulpo como animal de compañía...
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« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2007, 08:52:59 AM » |
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As always my forum hero Lee Zee dominates! I love the conversation!
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« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2007, 08:35:15 PM » |
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Was the purpose of this thread to uncover the lies of socialism not those of the moderator and the forumite?
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« Reply #25 on: December 20, 2007, 02:44:31 AM » |
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Was the purpose of this thread to uncover the lies of socialism not those of the moderator and the forumite?
As far as I could tell, the original purpose was to regurgigate standard revisionist mumbo-jumbo about the SCW. You know, we got our own brand of David Irving, just here the dude is a former terrorist, which adds him a boost in respectability... |
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